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Late Night Thoughts: Drowning The Old Hag
Late Night Thoughts: Drowning The Old Hag
10/09/12 at 12:09 AM by Adam Pfleider
My relationship with Code Orange Kids started with a t-shirt. A t-shirt a friend wore all of South by Southwest in 2011. It was a special year. A lot of special shows happened in small spaces, dupstep bars and pizza shops with an open window. Then a few months after I heard Embrace Me // Erase Me, I was on board. It was as violent as Trash Talk and contained a visceral snarl all Majority Rule and Converge. Then came Cycles, twice as long as the former and coated in new tricks, blends of harmony, sharper changes. Of all the passion and forward thinking that was brewing in the hardcore scene at the moment, Code Orange Kids stuck out. Within a year, four young kids, one a long time member of AbsolutePunk, were the biggest buzzed about hardcore band almost a year after seeing...[read more]
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07:14 PM on 10/10/12
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Great write-up, and this album is solid. Hardcore in 2013 will be taking on a very innovative shape. Let's rock n' roll motherfuckers.
11:14 AM on 10/11/12
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You cant really call this a set standard for hardcore albums. Code Orange Kids and bands like them (Full of Hell, Xerxes, Mountain Man) are hardly hardcore as there are a ton of different elements. There's no way you can compare Code Orange Kids to a NYHC band, or a California band. I don't care about pigeonholing bands and creating barriers, worrying about genres is dumb, but it definitely isn't the new standard and beat of hardcore to come. If anything, these types of bands are just sludgier screamo.

Regardless, Im excited. It doesnt really matter, just sharing my 2 cents and creating discussion so dont view this as an attack or whatever. Nice write up.
11:25 AM on 10/11/12
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You cant really call this a set standard for hardcore albums. Code Orange Kids and bands like them (Full of Hell, Xerxes, Mountain Man) are hardly hardcore as there are a ton of different elements. There's no way you can compare Code Orange Kids to a NYHC band, or a California band. I don't care about pigeonholing bands and creating barriers, worrying about genres is dumb, but it definitely isn't the new standard and beat of hardcore to come. If anything, these types of bands are just sludgier screamo.

Regardless, Im excited. It doesnt really matter, just sharing my 2 cents and creating discussion so dont view this as an attack or whatever. Nice write up.
while i totally get where your coming from, i can tell you that we are as influenced by "traditional" hardcore (including new york hardcore and cali sounding bands) as we are (if not more so) screamo bands, as we are bands like deadguy, as we are more extreme metal and grind bands, as we are 90s metalcore bands as we are the fuckin smiths and so on and so forth. i think its really listener to listener and the opinion on what we sound like varies based on musical pallet. personally i don't think our sound has anything to do with bands like xerxes or mountain man (both of which i enjoy) as it isn't influenced by the things they are influenced by. for me, to compare our music to something sonically, you have to take a more broad look at heavy music past and present in general. i think it is slightly lazy to say we are in a group musically with xerxes, mountain man or any of the above.

either way thanks a bunch for reading and responding and again i get your perspective and have a similar one from a much different angle. really appreciate it.


and thanks adam by the way for writing this really thoughtful piece. you are awesome and a great friend.
11:38 AM on 10/11/12
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The album is really insane. It will likely end up as my favorite hardcore release this year, and there have been a lot that I have loved all year.
01:09 PM on 10/11/12
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You cant really call this a set standard for hardcore albums. Code Orange Kids and bands like them (Full of Hell, Xerxes, Mountain Man) are hardly hardcore as there are a ton of different elements. There's no way you can compare Code Orange Kids to a NYHC band, or a California band. I don't care about pigeonholing bands and creating barriers, worrying about genres is dumb, but it definitely isn't the new standard and beat of hardcore to come. If anything, these types of bands are just sludgier screamo.

Regardless, Im excited. It doesnt really matter, just sharing my 2 cents and creating discussion so dont view this as an attack or whatever. Nice write up.
I really don't think he's saying that COK is setting the standard for a newly constructed hardcore scene. If he had, I would've objected to. I've been listening to this genre for 15 years, so I'd like to think that COK's work can be easily identified -- and I hope you can hear it too -- as the crux of their songwriting is heavily weighted by hardcore music. Hardcore, just like any other genre, is a wide spectrum that's getting even wider. Right -- Black Flag and Converge don't sound alike and neither of them sound like Madball, either. And neither does COK. That's kind of how it works.
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