And that’s the one where Bill was like ‘Yeah, this is good, this is the best song you have. Let’s figure out how to incorporate drums into it and then it will be good.’ It took a long time, it was funny because Zack who’s always recorded with us, Zack from Dear Landlord, he said that it was great to finally record a song that doesn’t sound like every single...

Everyone in Despised Icon was jumping on a new train, trying something else - trying out the family life, trying out new career opportunities, and I kind of felt pressured at my age nearing 30 to do what the rest of my boys were doing, and so I did; I got an awesome marketing job for a clothing retailer, was working the office job 9 to 5, a steady paycheck and great team, but I wasn't happy because I felt like I was stepping on my own toes with something that I wasn't ready to do. And it really came down to me questioning what I had to do to become happy in life, and the answer was simple - play music. So I quit everything...