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Jason Tate 10/04/12 04:30 PM

Why Does Frank Turner Hate John Lennon's "Imagine"?
 
Frank Turner just flat out eviscerates John Lennon's "Imagine."
From the InterviewYes, but that’s one of the things that’s so fucking annoying about it. Compared to, say, “The Times They Are A-Changin’,” or indeed anything by Crass or The Clash or Propagandhi, it’s so utterly vacuous. It’s a Hallmark card set to music. There’s a pretty high dose of hypocrisy in here as well. For a man who had a dedicated, refrigerated room in his New York penthouse apartment for storing his fur-coat collection to sing “Imagine no possessions” takes a fair amount of chutzpah. I mean, I have no problem with the man collecting fur coats. Whatever floats your boat. But there’s a certain strain of material disdain that can only result from being really fucking rich, which is intensely patronizing. Aside from that, well, the ’60s revolutionaries had some interesting things to say and valid criticisms to make, but it’s an insult, in my opinion, to boil it all down to this soupy mush. Listen to Phil Ochs instead.

lp670sv 10/04/12 04:37 PM

well then...

Jack Appleby 10/04/12 04:38 PM

Not really sure why he felt the need to express this.

Jason Tate 10/04/12 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Appleby (Post 113832062)
Not really sure why he felt the need to express this.

Because it's part of the AVclubs "HateSong" ... it's the entire point of the interview. Haha.

Jake Jenkins 10/04/12 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Appleby (Post 113832062)
Not really sure why he felt the need to express this.

lol did you even read the article?

Adam Pfleider 10/04/12 04:48 PM

i just really love the idea of this column.

as far as Frank's comment, I can totally see his point. honestly, I was never a solo Lennon fan and Harrison was my favorite Beatle and i'm already sick of this song at the age of 26.

soooo, I back you Frank!

Tele72 10/04/12 04:51 PM

Balls. I love this lol

Basketcase 10/04/12 04:52 PM

who the fuck is Frank Turner?

RyanGarner 10/04/12 04:56 PM

Sums up my opinion of the song. I like Lennon's music and The Beatles but this song in particular and his general persona have always annoyed me.

albatrossflyer 10/04/12 04:58 PM

I think that falls more under "song I hate that everyone else loves." If you pressed him, I'm sure he wouldn't say it's a bad song, just massively overrated.

ConnorCorruptNJ 10/04/12 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Basketcase (Post 113832492)
who the fuck is Frank Turner?


hahahaha

steve187 10/04/12 04:59 PM

the beatles are the most overrated band in history. come at me

RyanGarner 10/04/12 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by steve187 (Post 113832772)
the beatles are the most overrated band in history. come at me

I'm with you on this one, yet I still enjoy a large amount of their music.

tozborne 10/04/12 05:02 PM

10/10 Backed Hard.

Kris_Gontz9 10/04/12 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by steve187 (Post 113832772)
the beatles are the most overrated band in history. come at me

Agree completely.


Also, i back this guy. I totally understand where he's going, and the song is fucking annoying.

Jake Jenkins 10/04/12 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by albatrossflyer (Post 113832722)
I think that falls more under "song I hate that everyone else loves." If you pressed him, I'm sure he wouldn't say it's a bad song, just massively overrated.

you did not read the article.

sabres716 10/04/12 05:08 PM

Quick note to anyone who doesn't actually read the article: This isn't anti-Beatles or even anti-Lennon. He states he is otherwise a fan of them/him. Just not this song... and I can understand why.

luqmanhakim 10/04/12 05:09 PM

Imagine no opinions...

thatwasamoment 10/04/12 05:11 PM

you become a target when youre really fucking rich.

Jack Appleby 10/04/12 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 113832102)
Because it's part of the AVclubs "HateSong" ... it's the entire point of the interview. Haha.

Haha, just read the excerpt and said WUT.
Kind of interesting feature.

oakhurst 10/04/12 05:18 PM

Could be one of the most overrated songs of all time, the lyrics are dumb.

Ohaidere 10/04/12 05:32 PM

Boy... that escalated quickly.

harsh reality 10/04/12 05:37 PM

If anyone knows about cheesy lyrics and insipid songs, it certainly is Frank Turner

Keagan Ilvonen 10/04/12 05:40 PM

Harrison is easily the best Beatle.

rawspinner 10/04/12 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Keagan Ilvonen (Post 113834182)
Harrison is easily the best Beatle.


The Best of George Harrison is a back to front solid album. I don't have anything against the other ones, and honestly need to expand my Beatles knowledge, but I loved that album.

sowrongitsjack 10/04/12 05:50 PM

pretty sure in the song john doesn't say anywhere 'we should all have no possessions' - he just says imagine a world without it. lennons solo stuff is amazing, and the song mother always makes me well up.

as for frank turner, go back to million dead. i liked you then.

deanster321 10/04/12 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by steve187 (Post 113832772)
the beatles are the most overrated band in history. come at me


reid 10/04/12 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deanster321 (Post 113834562)


I wish Mitch was more consistent with putting out new material.

deanster321 10/04/12 05:58 PM

Already one or two people who don't seem to have read the quote in Jason's post, never mind the whole article. This is all set to make the average news thread read like Mark Twain, hah.

March_Faster!! 10/04/12 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Pfleider (Post 113832382)
i just really love the idea of this column.

as far as Frank's comment, I can totally see his point. honestly, I was never a solo Lennon fan and Harrison was my favorite Beatle and i'm already sick of this song at the age of 26.

soooo, I back you Frank!

It is a cool idea for a column...I'm late to the party and didn't know about it before this. But yeah, I also agree with Frank. That song is fucking annoying and yeah, patronizing considering the source. However, the source is also why people chose to put it on a pedestal. A much beloved artist, killed well before his time, it's hard for fans not to have "blinders" on I guess.

whiterussian 10/04/12 06:08 PM


zachff 10/04/12 06:11 PM

I read this earlier today, had a good laugh as well. No harm no foul.

SeeYouHomeWolf 10/04/12 06:26 PM

Yeah, what a phony.

tym 10/04/12 06:30 PM

love frank turner, but "imagine" is one of my favorite songs of all time. every succesful musician/artist is a hypocrite about their capitalistic tendencies. get over it

georgedcc 10/04/12 06:34 PM

Important quote at the end just in case anyone gets carried away:

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I know a lot of people like the song, and at the end of the day, that’s none of my business anyway. Good luck to them.

Anyway, he makes a decent (ish) point, but I wish he hadn't brought up Crass. There are much better punk examples he could have used.

Archael 10/04/12 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by steve187 (Post 113832772)
the beatles are the most overrated band in history. come at me

Yep. But they are also one of the best bands to ever exist.

Simulcast 10/04/12 06:47 PM

Nail on the head.

Matt Chylak 10/04/12 06:59 PM

AP should do more stuff like this

skellorock 10/04/12 07:04 PM

I've always thought Lenon was a hypocrit, sure everyone is on some level, we're human, but it did seem like he was one on a larger public scale.....and honestly Imagine is a boring song, I'm not too fond of Happy Xmas(a very cynical song that ppl seem to misinterpret as sincere) and its miles better than Imagine, I still love the Beatles tho.

i like apples 10/04/12 07:12 PM

George Harrison all day every day. Had the best Beatle songs and the best solo material.

AP_Punk 10/04/12 07:25 PM

yes, listen to phil ochs instead. definitely.

sargentlgfuad 10/04/12 07:27 PM

yeah, this guy is a complete asshole.

brook183 10/04/12 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by whiterussian (Post 113835052)

I had this copied, ready to post haha.

Ollie McKraut 10/04/12 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tym (Post 113836002)
love frank turner, but "imagine" is one of my favorite songs of all time. every succesful musician/artist is a hypocrite about their capitalistic tendencies. get over it

not 50 Cent

InfiniteArms 10/04/12 07:33 PM

I agree. This song really isn't that great.

Clown_Baby 10/04/12 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Appleby (Post 113832062)
Not really sure why he felt the need to express this.


You're such a dum dum appleby

rawspinner 10/04/12 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whiterussian (Post 113835052)


Was this a b-side or something?

5fikev 10/04/12 07:45 PM

I honestly think lennon was poking fun at himself and was purposefully meaning to be hypocritical. It's no mystery that he struggled with who he was. He's merely making suggestions in the song. It's just a man going through ideas in his head. Take it as a look inside a mans head and not a way to live your life. It was never meant to be the huge anthem it has become.

DylanPPPP 10/04/12 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sargentlgfuad (Post 113838202)
yeah, this guy is a complete asshole.

:-d

Alison1488 10/04/12 08:01 PM

Two pages in and I can't believe how many people are not defending "Imagine". Whether you are or aren't a Lennon or Beatles fan, that is one of the most perfect songs of a generation. It may have been overplayed, but the message is beautiful. It kind of breaks my heart to see so many young people down-trodden it.