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WarmThoughts 10/10/12 06:00 AM

The Golden Dawn
 
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode...en-dawn-party/

Whats everyone think of this craziness? The scene is set similarly to how Germany was during the early to mid 1930s, pretty interesting stuff.

Think there will be a new rise of fascist movements? haha.

Cameronisonfire 10/10/12 07:05 AM

Hans wanted someone associated with them freed in Die Hard. I guess he got out. Send in McClane.

Jake Gyllenhaal 10/10/12 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cameronisonfire (Post 114040912)
Hans wanted someone associated with them freed in Die Hard. I guess he got out. Send in McClane.


You're thinking of Asian Dawn, which Hans read about in Time Magazine.

Love As Arson 10/10/12 04:17 PM

I definitely think fascist movements are going to gain more prominence. They've been building for years and the economic crisis gave them a basis on which to legitimize their views. The ruling parties have done little to stem the tide and, in fact, with regard to things like emigration, have co-opted their message which gives them further legitimacy in the realm of ideas. What is interesting in Greece, and I expect elsewhere in the Eurozone as the crisis hits them with further severity, is the "legitimate" branches of government are throwing their votes/political power behind these fascist movements; the police in Greece voted overwhelmingly for the fascist parties. This shows the disarray that ruling parties have been thrown into, such that their regulatory forces have abandoned them and prefer other, anti-democratic methods for stabilization. If the ruling class is unable to restore stability to the market, and consequently the social order, or the masses aren't able to create a coalition in their favor, I fear that the fascists will step in with all of the brute force and authoritarianism that involves.

Carolina.Alex 10/10/12 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Love As Arson (Post 114060182)
I definitely think fascist movements are going to gain more prominence. They've been building for years and the economic crisis gave them a basis on which to legitimize their views. The ruling parties have done little to stem the tide and, in fact, with regard to things like emigration, have co-opted their message which gives them further legitimacy in the realm of ideas. What is interesting in Greece, and I expect elsewhere in the Eurozone as the crisis hits them with further severity, is the "legitimate" branches of government are throwing their votes/political power behind these fascist movements; the police in Greece voted overwhelmingly for the fascist parties. This shows the disarray that ruling parties have been thrown into, such that their regulatory forces have abandoned them and prefer other, anti-democratic methods for stabilization. If the ruling class is unable to restore stability to the market, and consequently the social order, or the masses aren't able to create a coalition in their favor, I fear that the fascists will step in with all of the brute force and authoritarianism that involves.


Shockingly, I agree with this 100%.

WarmThoughts 10/11/12 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Love As Arson (Post 114060182)
I definitely think fascist movements are going to gain more prominence. They've been building for years and the economic crisis gave them a basis on which to legitimize their views. The ruling parties have done little to stem the tide and, in fact, with regard to things like emigration, have co-opted their message which gives them further legitimacy in the realm of ideas. What is interesting in Greece, and I expect elsewhere in the Eurozone as the crisis hits them with further severity, is the "legitimate" branches of government are throwing their votes/political power behind these fascist movements; the police in Greece voted overwhelmingly for the fascist parties. This shows the disarray that ruling parties have been thrown into, such that their regulatory forces have abandoned them and prefer other, anti-democratic methods for stabilization. If the ruling class is unable to restore stability to the market, and consequently the social order, or the masses aren't able to create a coalition in their favor, I fear that the fascists will step in with all of the brute force and authoritarianism that involves.



And there you have it aha,

Its interesting to see the rise of these groups, we may even live to see the rise of a prominent fascist state.

Are there other large fascist movements building at the moment in Europe?

Cameronisonfire 10/11/12 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Gyllenhaal (Post 114041242)
You're thinking of Asian Dawn, which Hans read about in Time Magazine.


Dammmmmmit. Youre totally right. I thought i was clever there for a second. :/

deanster321 10/11/12 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmThoughts (Post 114083892)
And there you have it aha,

Its interesting to see the rise of these groups, we may even live to see the rise of a prominent fascist state.

Are there other large fascist movements building at the moment in Europe?

This is the biggest example that I can think of, in terms of electoral politics and stuff. Smaller bits of it seem to be bubbling up in lots of places, though.

Love As Arson 10/12/12 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmThoughts (Post 114083892)
And there you have it aha,

Its interesting to see the rise of these groups, we may even live to see the rise of a prominent fascist state.

Are there other large fascist movements building at the moment in Europe?

There are a whole host of Neo-Nazi groups growing, particularly in Germany and England. There is hope and it can be found in efforts such as those of SYRIZA, who have set up groups to protect those most logically targeted by the fascists. In England, the EDL - the legitimate political face of the fascist groups in England - tried to have a march and was met with severe hostility. It is not surprising that it is the left that is choosing to fight this battle against fascism.

deanster321 10/13/12 03:40 AM

That has to be a pretty loose, relative use of "legitimate political face". The EDL are vainglorious football hooligans and generally recognised as such.

Nuns On A Bus 10/13/12 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Love As Arson (Post 114060182)
I definitely think fascist movements are going to gain more prominence. They've been building for years and the economic crisis gave them a basis on which to legitimize their views. The ruling parties have done little to stem the tide and, in fact, with regard to things like emigration, have co-opted their message which gives them further legitimacy in the realm of ideas. What is interesting in Greece, and I expect elsewhere in the Eurozone as the crisis hits them with further severity, is the "legitimate" branches of government are throwing their votes/political power behind these fascist movements; the police in Greece voted overwhelmingly for the fascist parties. This shows the disarray that ruling parties have been thrown into, such that their regulatory forces have abandoned them and prefer other, anti-democratic methods for stabilization. If the ruling class is unable to restore stability to the market, and consequently the social order, or the masses aren't able to create a coalition in their favor, I fear that the fascists will step in with all of the brute force and authoritarianism that involves.


Nailed it on the head. Things are looking like they're going to get worse before they get better.

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WarmThoughts 10/16/12 07:54 AM

I find it rather exciting that theres another small rising of fascist movements, European politics are so much more interesting then North American. Not that I have a thing for fascism, I just have a thing for politics.

Love As Arson 10/16/12 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmThoughts (Post 114255152)
I find it rather exciting that theres another small rising of fascist movements, European politics are so much more interesting then North American. Not that I have a thing for fascism, I just have a thing for politics.


We see the seeds in the Tea Party.

Carolina.Alex 10/17/12 01:03 PM

Right, fiscal conservatism = neo-fascism..