Industry insider Bob Lefsetz has some pointed criticism for Taylor Swift. Head to the replies to read the lengthy, but hermetic diatribe. Do you agree with Lefsetz?
Gregory Robson
11/03/12 05:51 AM
Christian Wagner
11/03/12 06:34 AM
I subscribe to Bob. His newsletter is great and don't always agree with him but he makes you definitely form an opinion one way or the other.
bobcatbob18
11/03/12 06:36 AM
There are some good points in this article. Few artists can cross genres and successfully survive and maintain a core audience.
kurtpeachrings
11/03/12 06:37 AM
He just wants another song written about him.
But it's annoying to me that he's making it like she's crossed genres for sales, rather than just desire to do different music. All out abandoning your core, country audience is one thing, but she hasn't done that. The country community still openly embraces her with open arms, and on Red there's enough country leanings to keep them satisfied. But it sounds as if he thinks an artist shouldn't extend beyond the realm they've broken out of.
esposimi
11/03/12 06:39 AM
I think T Swift is past her prime.
astaticskyline
11/03/12 06:39 AM
Interesting article, but a little harsh. You could replace "Taylor Swift" in this article for almost any other big top-40 artist, except the parts where he refers to starting as country and shifting to pure-pop.
kurtpeachrings
11/03/12 06:48 AM
Just re-reading the end, I realize how clueless he is of her career as a whole. It's so obvious he's doing this to be the dissident voice.
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But somehow, with the overhype and move to the middle, she's torn away some of her underpinnings, she's become unmoored, we're no longer exactly sure who she is.
Overhype is subjective. Underpinnings are not torn away. And not being sure who she is? What does that even mean? Did Brand New fans sail them down the river when The Devil And God came out and sounded nothing like YFW? No, the fans loved it, and in fact multiplied, because it was better. Likewise with Swift, her crossover has kept the fans around, while the newer style of songs and arguable lyrical shift has won over some critics. Why can't it be so that she wanted to make more pop music than country? Why does it have to be for sales? If he knew anything about her, it'd be that she isn't in it for sales. Does breaking records and making millions hurt? No, I'm sure she loves it. But if she were in it for the money, she'd have never walked away from a multi-million dollar deal with Sony at age 14 to sign with her current indie label.
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And if we don't know who you are, it's hard to stay in love with you.
Yeah, because everyone got Sgt. Peppers on first listen :rolleyes:
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The little girls may scream, ticket sales may be rampant. But if you don't see it my way, if you don't think her career now has more questions than answers, you're not thinking at all.
Awfully vapid ending. More questions than answers? What's that even mean? I think it's a good thing to always keep your fans guessing. People like him make it so that she cannot win. They complained that Speak Now was too much like Fearless and that she should broaden her horizons, and she does with Red, and now she's alienating fans too much and keeping them guessing too much.
Edit: And before anyone flips, not likening Swift to BN or The Beatles. Just pointing out they had many points where they took different directions and didn't so much as lose fans, nearly as much as it solidified their careers and made them "staples" in their own ways. Change is good. Lefsetz ought to realize that, being an "industry insider."
Joey-Wan Kenobi
11/03/12 06:55 AM
Well, if this album fails here next album can be full of "why does everyone hate me?" And "just like boys the industry forgot me" songs.
Gregory Robson
11/03/12 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Christian Wagner
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He makes my day worth it with his insight. Always. Regardless if I agree or not. Love being a subscriber. Going on five years now. And counting.
Kris_Gontz9
11/03/12 06:59 AM
I don't agree with the article. I really don't see her fading anytime soon...
kurtpeachrings
11/03/12 06:59 AM
Perhaps she should be more like Mumford and Sons and have sales like the music itself: slow and steady, always the same, with as little change as possible.
Fuck_yeah_dude
11/03/12 06:59 AM
Today I learned the words hermetic and diatribe existed. I love new words. I also love Taylor Swift.
"As if anyone is going to remember she sold a million copies of Red last week."
...really? Because I feel like a lot of people are going to remember that.
This guy needs to calm his tits, Taylor is awesome and if you follow her tag on tumblr, you can read all these crazy fans who are DIE HARD for her. She probably won't be this big forever, but she will probably have a very dedicated fan base for a long long time. Little girls are growing up with this music and it means a lot to them, just like a lot of us probably feel about blink-182. I'll be Taylor Swift fan forever if she keeps putting out music like she has for the last 3 albums, and I'm certainly not part of her target demographic.
This part absolutely floored me, how fuckin' narcissistic can you get? "If you don't see it my way... you're not thinking at all."
Totally lost ANY credibility when he said that. My way or the highway 'journalism' can fuck right off, what a childish and awful way to end a pretty bad and pointless article.
Christian Wagner
11/03/12 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Fuck_yeah_dude
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Today I learned the words hermetic and diatribe existed. I love new words. I also love Taylor Swift.
"As if anyone is going to remember she sold a million copies of Red last week."
...really? Because I feel like a lot of people are going to remember that.
This guy needs to calm his tits, Taylor is awesome and if you follow her tag on tumblr, you can read all these crazy fans who are DIE HARD for her. She probably won't be this big forever, but she will probably have a very dedicated fan base for a long long time. Little girls are growing up with this music and it means a lot to them, just like a lot of us probably feel about blink-182. I'll be Taylor Swift fan forever if she keeps putting out music like she has for the last 3 albums, and I'm certainly not part of her target demographic.
This part absolutely floored me, how fuckin' narcissistic can you get? "If you don't see it my way... you're not thinking at all."
Totally lost ANY credibility when he said that. My way or the highway 'journalism' can fuck right off, what a childish and awful way to end a pretty bad and pointless article.
It's not journalism. It's his newsletter where he normally rants and says what's on his mind.
asthenia*
11/03/12 07:12 AM
yeah I'm not sure I buy this...
1) The guy's arguing that Taylor's movement of physical media is basically irrelevant because the music is what's important. Maybe in a perfect world, Bob. Her sales mean she's doing something right and I firmly believe that if people buy something they are probably only going to like it more over time.
Note: the peter framptom comparison cant work because Peter Frampton wasnt in the same situation as Taylor. People still bought CDs regularly in the 80s.
2) His whole argument is focused on the single. Sounds like he hasnt listened to the album, which is ironic since he's all about the quality of the songs (?)
3) From a career standpoint, it makes sense that T.Swift would try to reach a larger audience. Though Country has a huge fanbase, to take that and add Top 40 listeners would either increase her own fanbase or maintain it (if some of the country fans stray away then they're replaced by Top 40, i doubt enough people would jump ship to decrease it)
4) Taylor Swift hasn't been 'Country' since Fearless really anyways so this conversation is about 2-3 years too late.