American Idiot (their peak) was so solid but everything else is just shit.

more punk rock operas.

Love Green Day. Despise people who think "selling out" is a real thing.

Going to a green day show can tell you this. They play what they want when they want. Teir sets are 3+ hours with material spanning their whole career and their shows are still very much green day, just on a large budget and a bigger size.

There's a difference between a band selling out and becoming huge. See: Rise Against, ADTR, bands that actually sold out.

Originally Posted by xHoodieWeather

Going to a green day show can tell you this. They play what they want when they want. Teir sets are 3+ hours with material spanning their whole career and their shows are still very much green day, just on a large budget and a bigger size.

There's a difference between a band selling out and becoming huge. See: Rise Against, ADTR, bands that actually sold out.

One of the best live bands I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by xHoodieWeather

Going to a green day show can tell you this. They play what they want when they want. Teir sets are 3+ hours with material spanning their whole career and their shows are still very much green day, just on a large budget and a bigger size.

There's a difference between a band selling out and becoming huge. See: Rise Against, ADTR, bands that actually sold out.

This is fairly laughable.

The song that got rise against big in the first place was never re-hashed, used to make them huge cd after cd

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

One of the best live bands I've ever seen.

They were great on the pop disaster tour

Originally Posted by Drown_The_City

This is fairly laughable.

The song that got rise against big in the first place was never re-hashed, used to make them huge cd after cd

Saying Rise Against sold out is ridiculous.

This dude writes like he's in 3rd grade.

Furthermore, green day go back and forth between making quality music and sellout (though it is a dated term) bullshit. Never has there been a band where it's more evident that the album you're listening to is either the album they wanted to write vs the album they think they're supposed to be writing.

Selling out and releasing shit material is different. Look at any classic band. No one expects the Rolling Stones or Van Halen or any of their contemporaries to come out with great material nowadays.

Originally Posted by Drown_The_City

This is fairly laughable.

The song that got rise against big in the first place was never re-hashed, used to make them huge cd after cd

Have you been to a rise against show lately? I don't believe In selling out, but that's as close to it as you can get.

Green Day never sold out. I can think of bands that have - it is a genuine phenomenon *coughBlackVeilBridescough* - and the fact is that, as I heard someone argue a while back, Green Day still make the music they want to make, and that makes them a hell of a lot more punk than a lot of other bands.

No disputing, however, that 21st Century Breakdown through Tre! have been average at best and combined some of the band's best work with some of their worst.

Yeah they def didn't "sell-out." I don't think there should be such a term.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

One of the best live bands I've ever seen.

They keep getting better and better too. Who cares if they have extras playing horns and more guitars on stage? They upped the ante on their production for their show and even though their writing hasn't been stellar they have stayed a better live band than most bands still putting out "quality material"

Would love it if the band just sucked it up and recorded a new version of cigarettes and valentines, even if its just an EP. The triple disc had its moments but I think they kind of need to take a step back and re-invent like they did with American idiot.

Whatever your opinion on the band, that album was a game changer for the mainstream.