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06:12 PM on 08/21/12 
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What have you HEARD that has you so concerned? I understand that you haven't read the document in it's entirety, but you obviously have some opinions about what is going on.

From wikipedia, it looks like this is being put to use mostly on a local level. If communities have decided that these goals are what's best for them I don't see how you can tell them they're wrong. And I have yet to see anything that would be bad in Agenda 21's proposal. Our way of living is unsustainable. It's not some big conspiracy against the American people to point that out.

The UN report cites only patchy progress in a few areas. Even if there is some big dark side to this that I'm missing, there have been no huge leaps towards the total implementation of Agenda 21 and it doesn't really look like there will be. It has been met with resistance in some places and with differing ideas on how to move forward where it is accepted.

Your other links are...sketchy at best. I am completely disregarding the sovereignty.net one and the other two I'm taking with a grain (or several) of salt. None of them were really that clear on what terrible things they think will happen. They are just certain it's SOMETHING and that other intelligent people will see what it is. Maybe I'm stupid, but I am not seeing what is so terrible about any of this.
06:23 PM on 08/21/12 
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It's always 'something' () that's going to happen. Can we merge all of these threads into one 'suicidesaints gets his panties in a bunch over fantasy' thread?
06:31 PM on 08/21/12 
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Best part of those last three links is how everything is in scare quotes, "it is a "partnering" organization...the environmental "council"...putting money in planned parenthood for "contraceptive development"..." like that explains anything. If I just use "quotation" marks "everyone" will see the evil "plan" for what it "is". Don't even have to worry about pesky facts.
06:38 PM on 08/21/12 
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Takk gets it.
06:59 PM on 08/21/12 
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06:45 AM on 08/22/12 
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It's always 'something' () that's going to happen. Can we merge all of these threads into one 'suicidesaints gets his panties in a bunch over fantasy' thread?

This is the EXACT reason why I started this thread by saying "Has anyone read this thing?"

Like I said I've only heard things about it... and while some of the things I've heard may be true, it's likely that some of what I've heard is bullshit.

I just wanted to get opinions... and it looks like that's what I'm getting
06:51 AM on 08/22/12 
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What have you HEARD that has you so concerned? I understand that you haven't read the document in it's entirety, but you obviously have some opinions about what is going on.

From wikipedia, it looks like this is being put to use mostly on a local level. If communities have decided that these goals are what's best for them I don't see how you can tell them they're wrong. And I have yet to see anything that would be bad in Agenda 21's proposal. Our way of living is unsustainable. It's not some big conspiracy against the American people to point that out.

The UN report cites only patchy progress in a few areas. Even if there is some big dark side to this that I'm missing, there have been no huge leaps towards the total implementation of Agenda 21 and it doesn't really look like there will be. It has been met with resistance in some places and with differing ideas on how to move forward where it is accepted.

Your other links are...sketchy at best. I am completely disregarding the sovereignty.net one and the other two I'm taking with a grain (or several) of salt. None of them were really that clear on what terrible things they think will happen. They are just certain it's SOMETHING and that other intelligent people will see what it is. Maybe I'm stupid, but I am not seeing what is so terrible about any of this.

While you may be right about some of the links being "sketchy at best" I only posted them to show you that this Agenda 21 is being implemented in certain places in the U.S.

I'm not arguing as to which parts are being implemented, or if they are good or bad... just that it IS happening, and that this document has not been approved by Congress.

Like I pointed out before, I have not read the document so I cannot speak on its content, but I can say that I do not agree with implementation of "agendas" (check it out "scary quotes") without Congress' approval.

Ok. Well, I haven't read it in it's entirety. I just now read the Rio Declaration and the Sustainable Management of Forests. It all sounds pretty good to me, but I don't think anyone is really doing anything about it. The reason I asked about NWO and the like is because I used to date a guy who freaked out about all this saying they were going to use agenda 21 as a way to control us and would eventually thin down the population and put us into camps. Dude was wrong in my opinion because none of this is a) legally binding or b) happening. Do you see any countries really working towards environmental sustainability? Eliminating the gap between the rich and the poor? Getting indigenous people and women involved in decision making processes? Helping underdeveloped countries figure out how to responsibly manage their forests? Also there is a decent bit of emphasis on nation's individual sovereignty in the literature I just read so I'm thinking this is all much ado about nothing.

Now, what are you thoughts on this?
07:20 AM on 08/22/12 
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Dude got "takken" down hard!

*retreats back to corner*
07:28 AM on 08/22/12 
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Dude got "takken" down hard!

*retreats back to corner*

Nice play on words, but I didn't get shut down at all. If you read my posts, you would all see that the only thing I'm claiming is that this agenda was put into effect without Congress' approval.

If you'd like to debate that, then by all means...

My issue with this whole thing, and other things that take place in our government, is that the Constitution is continuously getting stepped on.
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Nice play on words, but I didn't get shut down at all. If you read my posts, you would all see that the only thing I'm claiming is that this agenda was put into effect without Congress' approval.

If you'd like to debate that, then by all means...

My issue with this whole thing, and other things that take place in our government, is that the Constitution is continuously getting stepped on.

It's a UN initiative, I don't think our Congress has the power to overturn the UN. Nor is the UN part of "our government".
08:43 AM on 08/22/12 
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It's a UN initiative, I don't think our Congress has the power to overturn the UN. Nor is the UN part of "our government".

I'm not completely familiar with Congress' role in the UN, but I do know that the U.S. is part of the UN and I do know that Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr. and Barack Obama have all signed Agenda 21... without Congress' approval.

Executive orders in general are something I have an issue with.
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I'm not completely familiar with Congress' role in the UN, but I do know that the U.S. is part of the UN and I do know that Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr. and Barack Obama have all signed Agenda 21... without Congress' approval.

Executive orders in general are something I have an issue with.

Executive orders aren't unconstitutional.
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While you may be right about some of the links being "sketchy at best" I only posted them to show you that this Agenda 21 is being implemented in certain places in the U.S.

I'm not arguing as to which parts are being implemented, or if they are good or bad... just that it IS happening, and that this document has not been approved by Congress.

Like I pointed out before, I have not read the document so I cannot speak on its content, but I can say that I do not agree with implementation of "agendas" (check it out "scary quotes") without Congress' approval.

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You can keep rolling your eyes all you want, but I'm not discussing the content of the document. If I was arguing that the document said something or didn't say something, then you'd have a point... but I'm not. I'm simply speaking about the Constitutionality of it.
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Why do you start these threads without reading up on the documents beforehand? So you can assume the worst?
 



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