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08:49 PM on 11/30/12 
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Apparently, a man by the name of Herb Saunders found that by injecting a dead disease into the udder of a cow before giving birth, it's "first milk" will have antibodies in the colostrum that have healing properties. He found something highly effective against Arthritis, and it's even been found that injecting a dead Lyme disease spirochete resulted in a woman being cured within a few weeks of drinking the milk.

Anyways, the FDA and The Department for Agriculture squelched the idea, showed no interest in pursuing any additional research, and sued the man for practicing medicine without a medical license, in addition to seizing his property.

I really hate how drugs in this world are only approved based on what's the most profitable.

As someone who has had Chronic Lyme disease for years, I am royally pissed off. This is a way to create a drug that can be effective against Lou Gherig's, MS, etc., and it seems as though it will never see the light due to everybody being terrified of the FDA suing them. Thoughts?

Herb Saunders
http://www.encognitive.com/node/4241

Universal Oral Vaccine: The Immune Milk Saga
http://www.tldp.com/New%20Articles/Universal%20oral%20vaccine%20Part%2 03.htm
09:16 PM on 11/30/12 
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I'll tell ya what... the cancer cure keeps getting suppressed because that means the American Cancer Society would be out of the business. The ACS CEO makes big bucks so there is no incentive for finding a cure for cancer. It's all about moolah. No more cancer equals no more cold hard cash. Let the naive gullible public believe that there is hope for a cure by suggesting monetary donations will lead to a cure. Pfft... suckas! Non-profit charities = big business! It's all about the long con.
09:31 PM on 11/30/12 
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I feel like I've heard that there actually are patented cancer cures or drugs out there that are like incredibly effective (like 80-90% effective I think) but will most likely never see the light of day because pharmaceutical companies can't make shit off of a patented drug. Sigh.
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I'm not totally familiar with this situation or the potential drug, but coming from someone who is currently studying pharmacy, the FDA and its regulations are disgustingly inefficient. They can't even ensure safety of products anymore (i.e. the Meningitis breakout from the compounding pharmacy in Massachusetts), let alone perform research on potentially life-changing medications. Like it was said above, a lot of it has to do with the profitability of the pharmaceutical market and a decrease in that if everyone were completely healthy. It's actually sad.
11:52 AM on 12/01/12 
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I'll tell ya what... the cancer cure keeps getting suppressed because that means the American Cancer Society would be out of the business. The ACS CEO makes big bucks so there is no incentive for finding a cure for cancer. It's all about moolah. No more cancer equals no more cold hard cash. Let the naive gullible public believe that there is hope for a cure by suggesting monetary donations will lead to a cure. Pfft... suckas! Non-profit charities = big business! It's all about the long con.

I figure you're being sarcastic but there is some truth to this. There is a ton of money in current medical cancer treatments.
11:59 AM on 12/01/12 
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I'm not totally familiar with this situation or the potential drug, but coming from someone who is currently studying pharmacy, the FDA and its regulations are disgustingly inefficient. They can't even ensure safety of products anymore (i.e. the Meningitis breakout from the compounding pharmacy in Massachusetts), let alone perform research on potentially life-changing medications. Like it was said above, a lot of it has to do with the profitability of the pharmaceutical market and a decrease in that if everyone were completely healthy. It's actually sad.

Haha believe me, as someone who has been sick for years, and who has a family friend who had cancer, I'm aware of all of this. It really is sickening. There are so many amazing possibilities out there |=\. Insurance companies also like to avoid paying for Lyme disease patients' antibiotics, too. Dunno why, but they prefer to wait until you're in a wheelchair or in a mental house from neurological decay because drugs are "too expensive". I was on IV antibiotic treatment for a bit and was getting noticeably better, but naw, Blue Cross Blue Shield says it wasn't necessary, so here I am two years later back at square one. Maybe I'll go buy a cow xD.
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I figure you're being sarcastic but there is some truth to this. There is a ton of money in current medical cancer treatments.

I got a sarcastic vibe off his post, too, which confuses me because what he said is pretty correct and true.
12:02 PM on 12/01/12 
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I figure you're being sarcastic but there is some truth to this. There is a ton of money in current medical cancer treatments.

sarcastic/drunk at the time.
12:05 PM on 12/01/12 
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haha, I shouldn't have even said anything.
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The amount of money to be made from a cancer cure would be astronomical, I would imagine. Any company sitting on a cure would seem to be forfeiting an ungodly amount of money to keep up a perceived "racket". Then again, maybe they saw I Am Legend and got cold feet.
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The amount of money to be made from a cancer cure would be astronomical, I would imagine. Any company sitting on a cure would seem to be forfeiting an ungodly amount of money to keep up a perceived "racket". Then again, maybe they saw I Am Legend and got cold feet.

You're ignoring the hospitals, radiation tech companies, and huge amounts of various pharmaceuticals. It also depends on what the cure would be. If its just a pill or single surgery for instance, it would be minuscule compared to what it costs to treat today. In fact its hard to imagine a cure that would come anywhere near what it costs on as a whole today. And I don't think anyone is saying that anyone is sitting on a cure, I think people are saying that alternative treatments are being both underfunded and unfairly prejudiced by the system. Even if some people are exaggerating that I think its true enough.
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You're ignoring the hospitals, radiation tech companies, and huge amounts of various pharmaceuticals. It also depends on what the cure would be. If its just a pill or single surgery for instance, it would be minuscule compared to what it costs to treat today. In fact its hard to imagine a cure that would come anywhere near what it costs on as a whole today. And I don't think anyone is saying that anyone is sitting on a cure, I think people are saying that alternative treatments are being both underfunded and unfairly prejudiced by the system. Even if some people are exaggerating that I think its true enough.

I can see that. We should abolish the FDA and the Department of Agriculture, or at least severely limit the power they have to stop these sort of alternative endeavors.
01:34 PM on 12/01/12 
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I can see that. We should abolish the FDA and the Department of Agriculture, or at least severely limit the power they have to stop these sort of alternative endeavors.

Well at the same time I think we do need regulation in the area because people with something like cancer may be prone to be duped for a lot of money by some scam procedure. Haha, I know I'm kind of speaking out of both sides of my mouth here but I've been studying health policy a lot this semester and its made me a cynic of the system we have, but I really think we should have a system.
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Well at the same time I think we do need regulation in the area because people with something like cancer may be prone to be duped for a lot of money by some scam procedure. Haha, I know I'm kind of speaking out of both sides of my mouth here but I've been studying health policy a lot this semester and its made me a cynic of the system we have, but I really think we should have a system.

I think this happens regardless of the existence of the FDA. The power they wield isn't worth the supposed benefits in my mind. Companies who engage in scams can still be taken to court by the victims.
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Well at the same time I think we do need regulation in the area because people with something like cancer may be prone to be duped for a lot of money by some scam procedure. Haha, I know I'm kind of speaking out of both sides of my mouth here but I've been studying health policy a lot this semester and its made me a cynic of the system we have, but I really think we should have a system.

I get what you mean. There is a purpose to having an FDA and Department of Agriculture, and it probably is necessary in our country. We need some way to regulate medications and make sure everything is tested safely and properly, of course. The problem is corruption among these departments. A lot of big insurance companies tend to be linked to members of the CDC and medical agencies, showing that insurance companies also play a major influence on people. Insurance companies won't make as much money off of a one-time cancer pill as they would in months and years of chemo.



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