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04:28 PM on 12/03/12 
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And people wonder why I am in favor of the one-state solution. Israel has to go.
01:47 PM on 12/06/12 
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A new interactive tool allows you to decide how many Israeli settlers to annex and what constitutes a viable Palestinian state.

12:09 PM on 12/07/12 
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That's pretty interesting.
01:58 AM on 12/12/12 
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And people wonder why I am in favor of the one-state solution. Israel has to go.



Good luck getting that done HAH

Palestinians in my community don't really want Israel wiped off the face of the earth. Two state solution is the realistic solution.
12:06 PM on 12/13/12 
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"The Israeli Army is one of the best trained, best equipped, best fed terrorist organizations in the world." Miko Peled, son of a general in the Israeli Army.

On the speaker: "Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. He has credibility, so when he debunks myths that Jews around the world hold with blind loyalty, people listen. Miko was born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well known Zionist family. His grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer on the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His father, Matti Peled was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and the Sinai."



Here's how he starts the first 5 minutes of his speech:

"There's so much double standard when people talk about this issue.... I don't know if you heard Bibi Netanyahu's speech at the UN. He began it with the two most striking examples of myth and double standard. He began by talking about the right of return of the Jews to their ancient homeland. And of course, the Jews that 'returned', so called, to their homeland were not exactly the same Jews that were expelled from their homeland, because these [people] were expelled a couple thousand years before that. These were not their descendants either, as this has been a very long time. The people that actually 'came back', so to speak, are people that claim some sort of heritage, some kind of connection or relationship to the ancient Hebrews. And they claim they have a right to return to their homeland and this is what Zionism is about, and this was accepted by the world as right, they had the right to return. Now if we talk about the right of return of one nation, if we accept it as a principle, you'd expect we'd accept it in general, across the board. Yet when people talk about the right of return of Palestinian's to their homeland, suddenly a red line comes up and everybody says no, we can't talk about the right of return of the Palestinians. This has to be taken off the table, this is not negotiable. The right of return of the Palestinians is not acceptable. What's interesting is when we talk about the right of return of the Palestinians, quite often we're talking about the actual people who had to leave their homes. If not them, we're talking about their direct descendants -- people that have the keys and the deeds to their homes, who can go to the very spot where their village existed, where today there might be a highway, and they will point out the mosque, point out the well, point out the door to their home. And they don't enjoy the right to return. So obviously, this is a double standard of immense proportions.

The other thing Bibi talked about is King David, who reigned some 3000 years ago, and here we are today as his descendants. What's interesting is besides the fact that there is no historical evidence that King David ever existed, outside the bible which is not a historical document, and Israeli archaeologists have all but turned up the entire country to find proof that he ever existed. Today, as we speak, an entire town, an entire community is being kicked out of their homes and forced into exile through violence, in order to prove that King David existed in a place called Silwan. It's a community of 50,000 people right outside of the walls of the old city of Jerusalem. Yet the world sees nothing wrong with this -- American money is poured into this project to build what is called the New City of David, an archaeological park. And a community of 50,000 Palestinians has to be terrorized in order to leave, their homes are being destroyed, in order to make this point. This fictional, mythical connection, between the ancient kingdom of King David and today's Israel. So these are just two points and it's interesting that Netanyahu decided to kick off his speech with these 2 points."
12:09 PM on 12/13/12 
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From a fellow activist on Facebook:
Josh Ruebner presented this in Chicago and it's an amazing interactive website to calculate how much MILITARY aid your state, county, or city is giving to Israel.


For example, Sacramento County will be giving the Israeli military $140,458,567.29 from 2009-2018. That same amount can be used to provide Afforadable Housing to 1,705 families, Green Jobs Training for 2,332 workers, Early Reading training to 4,153 children, or PRIMARY HEALTH CARE FOR 113,750 RESIDENTS.

Santa Clara County alone, where I live, is giving Israel $260 million in military aid in these 10 years. That same amount can be used to provide Afforadable Housing to 3,715 families, Green Jobs Training for 4,388 workers, Early Reading training to 7,753 children, or PRIMARY HEALTH CARE FOR 211,750 RESIDENTS.

Look up your state, county or city and the numbers will shock you. Keep in mind, this is military aid alone. These are the direct costs of oppressing Palestinian people.


http://aidtoisrael.org/section.php?id=379
05:21 PM on 01/27/13 
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From a fellow activist on Facebook:
Josh Ruebner presented this in Chicago and it's an amazing interactive website to calculate how much MILITARY aid your state, county, or city is giving to Israel.


For example, Sacramento County will be giving the Israeli military $140,458,567.29 from 2009-2018. That same amount can be used to provide Afforadable Housing to 1,705 families, Green Jobs Training for 2,332 workers, Early Reading training to 4,153 children, or PRIMARY HEALTH CARE FOR 113,750 RESIDENTS.

Santa Clara County alone, where I live, is giving Israel $260 million in military aid in these 10 years. That same amount can be used to provide Afforadable Housing to 3,715 families, Green Jobs Training for 4,388 workers, Early Reading training to 7,753 children, or PRIMARY HEALTH CARE FOR 211,750 RESIDENTS.

Look up your state, county or city and the numbers will shock you. Keep in mind, this is military aid alone. These are the direct costs of oppressing Palestinian people.


http://aidtoisrael.org/section.php?id=379

Bumping cause you made that other thread. I think this one was just inactive for too long so it dropped out of the default view setting for the forum. This one is still here though!
09:08 PM on 01/27/13 
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Bumping cause you made that other thread. I think this one was just inactive for too long so it dropped out of the default view setting for the forum. This one is still here though!

Thanks, I'm just going to move my post to this thread and delete the one I made.
09:09 PM on 01/27/13 
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Breaking news from Haaretz, Israel's oldest daily newspaper (Liberal, secular, political left): A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera without giving the women proper notice and proper information on what the shots actually do.

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About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women’s testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel’s Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. “They told us they are inoculations,” said one of the women interviewed. “They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.”

More info on the story from The Jerusalem Post:
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The central question this raises is to what degree the women were provided with an informed choice. Also, was the decision to administer this shot tinged with racism and paternalism? One Ethiopian woman claimed, in an interview with Haaretz: “We said we won’t have the shot. They told us, if you don’t, you won’t go to Israel.... We didn’t have a choice.”

Feminist organization Woman to Woman reported in 2010 that 57 percent of women receiving Depo-Provera in Israel were Ethiopian, even though they made up only 2 percent of the population.

The most racist country in the world, everyone. They have no shame.
09:10 PM on 01/27/13 
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10:45 AM on 01/29/13 
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And people wonder why I am in favor of the one-state solution. Israel has to go.




Forced eugenics, just like Hitler wanted for his Third Reich. Let's not get into the daily protests of white Jews in African neighborhoods, the "Go back to Ethiopia" chants. I can't wait until the day Israel is wiped off the map and it's Palestine again, as it should be. There's no reason for a fascist Jewish state to exist in my country, where people of all identities have coexisted for thousands of years. These people are fucking sick in the head.
12:09 PM on 01/29/13 
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I think your generalizations are a bit broad and entirely unfair to the majority of Israelis, but that stuff is pretty indefensible.

I found this post on Reddit, it's pretty good and has links and whatnot which I think are valuable in a topic as prone to hyperbole as this is:

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: All Palestinians hate/want to destroy Israel and have no interest in peace
Reality: The majority (73%) of them [1] want peace
Myth #2: All Israelis hate/want to destroy/kill Palestinians and have no interest in peace.
Reality: Most (67%) [2] want peace, specifically, agreeing with the terms of the poll which included a Two-State solution.
EDIT: Another [3] poll shows support for Two-State Solution as 74% and 78%, from Palestinians and Israelis respectively.
Myth #3: Gaza has no humanitarian crisis (courtesy: anchor on Fox News)
*Reality *: Gaza is severely impoverished for a [4] variety of reasons, including the blockade, overpopulation, and lack of land, with [5] 70% living below the poverty line
Myth #4: The blockade is the result of unilateral action by Israel.
Reality: There is a 7.5 mile border between Gaza and Egypt. Egypt has built an underground [6] barrier to block smuggling tunnels, considering it a matter of national security. Egypt wants no part in either side of the conflict. They [7] made lasting peace with Israel is 1979 and caught a shitstorm in the Arab world for it and want to stay the fuck away from the conflict.
EDIT: Egypt has [8] opened the border in light of the fall out from the Flotilla raid and intends to keep it open saying it, "will never be part of attempts meant to increase sufferings of the Palestinians".
Myth #5: Israel is a theocracy. Israeli law denies rights to Muslim/Christian Arabs.†
Reality: Israel is a democracy with both [9] Arab, Jewish, and mixed political parties having representation in the Knesset. There has been an [10] attempt to ban Arab parties from running, but this was [11] overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.
[12] Israel provides freedom of religion both in law and in practice. Non-Jewish religions are accommodated under Ottoman and British administrative practices with modifications.
Israeli law officially recognizes: Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze and Baha'i.
[13] Link
Similar to minorities in the US, the Arab citizens have experienced discrimination. Their demographic indicators, including literacy, education, and income, are lower than Israeli Jewish numbers for whatever reason.
Where Israel's government/law is NOT secular: Israeli law has the controversial Law of Return ([14] similar to repatriation laws in other countries), argued to be a mechanism for asylum. Orthodox Jews also have some control over domestic issues, hence most [15] stores on closed on the sabbath, non-Kosher food is prohibited, and the state sponsors religious schools in addition to the secular ones, though religious restrictions are not always followed in practice. There is tension between the secular Jews and the more Orthodox over such state-imposed adherences to Judaism.
EDIT: † The [16] ILA which is in charge of administering government and [17] JNF land, is not allowed to lease to non-citizen Palestinians or non-Jews. Land is allocated disproportionately to Jews. In 2000, the Israeli High Court ruled land allocation on the basis of race, religion, or ethnicity illegal. [18] JNF policy has not changed.
Myth #6: Jews are not semites and/or Jews have hijacked the term antisemitic to leave out Arabs.
Reality: A [19] German who was openly against Jews and saw them as infiltrating German culture coined the term to (solely) apply to Jews coined the modern term. Though the term Semite includes a [20] variety of non-Jewish peoples and cultures, all [21] defined [22] modern usage I've been able to find does not include these peoples in the term's use.
Myth #7: Jews did not live in the Middle East prior to the mid-20th century.
Reality: Jews have lived in the Middle East continuously since ancient times. They lived, for example in [23] Iraq, [24] Lebanon, and [25] Syria, as well as [26] Palestine. (Notably, waves of Jews migrated to Palestine [27] starting in 1881, buying land from absentee Arab landlords.) These [28] Mizrahi Jews lived fairly well under the Ottoman Empire and many considered themselves "Arabs of the Jewish faith." Conditions deteriorated rapidly once Israel declared independence and the [29] majority fled.
Myth #8: European Jews have no ancestral roots in Israel.
Reality: Genetic studies generally show that while Jews are [30] easily differentiable from Europeans, they are genetically indistinguishable from [31] Arab Palestinians, as well as other [32] Arabs in the region
Myth #9: The United States has always supported Israel.
Reality: Before [33] 1967, the US sent no aid to Israel. Notably, France actually provided Israel with weaponry. Wikipedia claims the Johnson administration was worried that should they aid Israel, "Israel's response would be disproportionate and potentially destabilizing."
Myth #10: Arab reaction to Jewish immigration has always been hostility.
Reality: Reaction was mixed. Some were openly supportive:
"The return of these exiles [jaliya] to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually an experimental school for their [Arab] brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and all things connected to the land." -[34] Hussein Ibn-Ali, Sheriff of Mecca, in 1918.
Relations soured as more Jews immigrated and Arabs feared the implications, resulting in riots in [35] 1920, [36] 1921, [37] 1929, and [38] 1936-1939.
Myth #11: Israelis are mostly religious nutjobs who live there because they think God promised it to them.
Reality: [39] 65% of Israeli Jews even believe in God, vs 80% of Americans. If you have no God to promise you the land, why are you there? There are a few reasons: (1) many were fleeing persecution in their native countries and simply wanted to get out, (2) many wanted to live in a place with a large community of Jews, and many were [40] actually idealistic Communists who moved there to live on communes (I've heard this is why Israel is somewhat socialist), (3) many were simply born there. Someone who was born in Israel in 1950 would be 60 years today, could have lived his whole life in Israel and never known another country to identify with, except what his parents tell him. A kid born in 1990 would have to ask grampa about the "old country".
Religious nutjobs definitely exist, and they're the reason [41] Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated when he made great strides toward peace through land concessions. They thought it sacrilege that would deny Jews their "biblical heritage", and depicted Rabin in a Nazi uniform at rallies.
But mostly the population of Israel live largely secular lives and have high regard for [42] SCIENCE. They look on at our Intelligent Design debate with [43] amusement




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