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01:38 AM on 01/16/13 
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How is it "garbage"? Which parts are specifically "garbage"? Specifically, why are each of those parts "garbage"? See I ask these things because I'm open-minded to the possibility that I'm wrong and hopefully you are also open to the possibility that you are wrong, unless you want to prove that you are overly prideful and closed-minded by using something other than good, non-opinion-rooted arguments.
So hasty! I saw you're new and likely just eager to up your post count so I didn't really care to write a longer response in the event that you wouldn't read it.

My problem lies with this:
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ALL sexuality is a choice, no one is born gay or straight, instead everyone is born asexual. I chose to be heteroflexible.
It seems to be contradicted by your statement that you're "only attracted to people who are pretty and feminine." You really believe that that was a choice for you? Not just something you started feeling at adolescence? Sexualities can evolve, sure. The few "heteroflexible" people I know used to identify as straight, until realizing there was more to it and accepting that. But to say that all people are born asexual (i.e. without sexual attraction) and then just up and picked something later in life is absurd. Even if you feel you chose to be attracted to women and perhaps some feminine men, doesn't mean that that's the case for all people. Why do you think there is such an internal struggle with young gay people trying to make themselves straight? It makes more sense for them to have not picked that sexual orientation at all. And what about the people getting murdered for being gay in Africa? You think they just chose to be different and deal with death threats?

It's just a complete slap in the face to hear people say that being gay is a choice because that implies that another choice could have been made to be straight. And it gives credibility to those who try to convert gay people, and to religions who say that being gay is wrong and sinful and that it can be overcome. It's just crazy talk.
01:48 AM on 01/16/13 
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I don't even know where to start with this.

how about "everyone is born asexual" I'd like to see someone prove that wrong, seeing as young children aren't "naturally" sexual with each other, so they can't be gay or straight or in-between, they have to be asexual.

unless you want to prove that you are overly prideful and closed-minded by using something other than good, non-opinion-rooted arguments.
You're wrong, you're stupid, go away.

I think I just used NLP to create a self-fulfilling prophecy with you lol. Or I just knew someone would be "stupid"(your word not mine) enough to fall into that trap to prove how close-minded they are by using a non-opinion-rooted argument like "your wrong/stupid!". Also you weren't specific enough, for all I know you were saying I'm wrong and stupid for wanting gay marriage to be legal, when it says on your profile you're gay, which would kind of be like treason. That's why I need specifics in order to know WHY I'm stupid and WHY I'm wrong. If you want me to go away than just apologize for calling me wrong, stupid and telling me to go away and never say those things to anyone else on here ever again... unless they say it to you first. Then I'll leave you alone
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how about "everyone is born asexual" I'd like to see someone prove that wrong, seeing as young children aren't "naturally" sexual with each other, so they can't be gay or straight or in-between, they have to be asexual.




I think I just used NLP to create a self-fulfilling prophecy with you lol. Or I just knew someone would be "stupid"(your word not mine) enough to fall into that trap to prove how close-minded they are by using a non-opinion-rooted argument like "your wrong/stupid!". Also you weren't specific enough, for all I know you were saying I'm wrong and stupid for wanting gay marriage to be legal, when it says on your profile you're gay, which would kind of be like treason. That's why I need specifics in order to know WHY I'm stupid and WHY I'm wrong. If you want me to go away than just apologize for calling me wrong, stupid and telling me to go away and never say those things to anyone else on here ever again... unless they say it to you first. Then I'll leave you alone

You know why I called you stupid. Don't quote me again.
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So hasty! I saw you're new and likely just eager to up your post count so I didn't really care to write a longer response in the event that you wouldn't read it.

My problem lies with this:

It seems to be contradicted by your statement that you're "only attracted to people who are pretty and feminine." You really believe that that was a choice for you? Not just something you started feeling at adolescence? Sexualities can evolve, sure. The few "heteroflexible" people I know used to identify as straight, until realizing there was more to it and accepting that. But to say that all people are born asexual (i.e. without sexual attraction) and then just up and picked something later in life is absurd. Even if you feel you chose to be attracted to women and perhaps some feminine men, doesn't mean that that's the case for all people. Why do you think there is such an internal struggle with young gay people trying to make themselves straight? It makes more sense for them to have not picked that sexual orientation at all. And what about the people getting murdered for being gay in Africa? You think they just chose to be different and deal with death threats?

It's just a complete slap in the face to hear people say that being gay is a choice because that implies that another choice could have been made to be straight. And it gives credibility to those who try to convert gay people, and to religions who say that being gay is wrong and sinful and that it can be overcome. It's just crazy talk.

First I have to say this post you did is a good argument .
Second, I must say I'm using a different definition to the word "brainwashing" than the official definition. By "brainwashing" I mean when a person has allowed something else to change their belief on something. Since I know no other word that better fits the definition I'm using, I just use the word brainwashing because it's the closest I know.
Thirdly, I am convinced, through alleged psychological science to back this claim and self-evidence experience supporting it, that emotions are caused by our belief systems, therefore, if we change our beliefs we will change our emotional reactions. For example, if we believe all girls have cooties if they kiss us, we will feel fear and repulsion every time they pucker up and chase us. But when we get older and we believe the cootie myth isn't true, we don't feel fear, and combined with hormones, we feel attraction and/or lust instead. We can convince ourselves that we are attracted to men or women or trans, and we will feel the emotions. If we like pretty girls because they are pretty, and we meet a guy that is pretty, we will probably feel the same, and those who are taught that being gay is wrong and also felt attraction to that guy will get angry because they feel they were tricked and usually they call them "******!". Also, good experiences can make people want more good experiences(whether is with the same or opposite gender) and bad experiences can make people want to avoid the same situation(whether it was with the same or opposite gender).
Fourth, people will do extreme things just from their beliefs alone. Look at the guy who said he predicted the rapture with numerology and spent over a million dollars just to advertise it on tv, when he was obviously wrong more than once, or radical muslims who blow themselves up to kill others. People will be willing to have a hard life if they believe they are born that way. Fifth, my argument also states that being heterosexual came by brainwashing and by choice, so my argument doesn't make being homosexual look worse or "fixable" no more than being heterosexual. I also believe its the same with being right and left handed, you get used to one and then don't see why you should go back, I don't believe people are born right or left-handed either its all brainwashing.
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First I have to say this post you did is a good argument .
Second, I must say I'm using a different definition to the word "brainwashing" than the official definition. By "brainwashing" I mean when a person has allowed something else to change their belief on something. Since I know no other word that better fits the definition I'm using, I just use the word brainwashing because it's the closest I know.
Thirdly, I am convinced, through alleged psychological science to back this claim and self-evidence experience supporting it, that emotions are caused by our belief systems, therefore, if we change our beliefs we will change our emotional reactions. For example, if we believe all girls have cooties if they kiss us, we will feel fear and repulsion every time they pucker up and chase us. But when we get older and we believe the cootie myth isn't true, we don't feel fear, and combined with hormones, we feel attraction and/or lust instead. We can convince ourselves that we are attracted to men or women or trans, and we will feel the emotions. If we like pretty girls because they are pretty, and we meet a guy that is pretty, we will probably feel the same, and those who are taught that being gay is wrong and also felt attraction to that guy will get angry because they feel they were tricked and usually they call them "******!". Also, good experiences can make people want more good experiences(whether is with the same or opposite gender) and bad experiences can make people want to avoid the same situation(whether it was with the same or opposite gender).
Fourth, people will do extreme things just from their beliefs alone. Look at the guy who said he predicted the rapture with numerology and spent over a million dollars just to advertise it on tv, when he was obviously wrong more than once, or radical muslims who blow themselves up to kill others. People will be willing to have a hard life if they believe they are born that way. Fifth, my argument also states that being heterosexual came by brainwashing and by choice, so my argument doesn't make being homosexual look worse or "fixable" no more than being heterosexual. I also believe its the same with being right and left handed, you get used to one and then don't see why you should go back, I don't believe people are born right or left-handed either its all brainwashing.

"I don't believe"

Believing something doesn't make it true. Unless you have a real argument, don't bother quoting this.
07:25 AM on 01/16/13 
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Told you so.
07:31 AM on 01/16/13 
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Yeah, you weren't kidding.
08:12 AM on 01/16/13 
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I was being sarcastic.

Your point is true. Organized religion has seen a sharper decline compared to faith in God.

Yes and no... there's a decline in the megachurch, protestantized anything's okay crowd, with people there saying they are 'spiritual but not religious'

However at the same time, people are leaving the same megachurch, coffeeshop church scenes and rediscovering true orthodoxy.

See this article at the Economist: http://www.economist.com/news/intern...st-avant-garde

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The traditionalist revival is a reaction against the “trendy liberalism” of this generation. Some swings of pendulums may be inevitable. But for a church hierarchy in Western countries beset by scandal and decline, the rise of a traditionalist avant-garde is unsettling. Is it merely an outcrop of eccentricity, or a sign that the church took a wrong turn 50 years ago?
02:17 PM on 01/16/13 
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how about "everyone is born asexual" I'd like to see someone prove that wrong, seeing as young children aren't "naturally" sexual with each other, so they can't be gay or straight or in-between, they have to be asexual.
That's because sexuality doesn't come out until adolescence dude. Children don't experience that, they're too early on in development, doesn't mean it's not there to be expressed later. Some kids have it in them that they will go bald by age 40, doesn't mean they have to start losing hair when they're 5.

Also, you keep using "asexuality" kinda incorrectly. Asexuality is an orientation like heterosexuality, bisexuality, etc. It's a lack of sexual attraction (but does not preclude one from having romantic feelings), not a state that exists before someone becomes sexual.
02:57 PM on 01/16/13 
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03:19 PM on 01/16/13 
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That's because sexuality doesn't come out until adolescence dude. Children don't experience that, they're too early on in development, doesn't mean it's not there to be expressed later. Some kids have it in them that they will go bald by age 40, doesn't mean they have to start losing hair when they're 5.

Also, you keep using "asexuality" kinda incorrectly. Asexuality is an orientation like heterosexuality, bisexuality, etc. It's a lack of sexual attraction (but does not preclude one from having romantic feelings), not a state that exists before someone becomes sexual.

I don't know if it's entirely true that sexuality doesn't come out until adolescence.
03:27 PM on 01/16/13 
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I don't know if it's entirely true that sexuality doesn't come out until adolescence.
Whoops, brain fart. Meant puberty, around age 10. I was basically trying to convey that because children aren't sexual doesn't mean that they are "asexual."
03:44 PM on 01/16/13 
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Whoops, brain fart. Meant puberty, around age 10. I was basically trying to convey that because children aren't sexual doesn't mean that they are "asexual."

I think kids start exploring and figuring out who they are sexually pretty early. At least I did and so did a lot of people I knew when I was younger. I don't know if that's normal though now that I think about it.
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Pretty sure sexuality isn't some magic quality that comes out of left field when you hit puberty.



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