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10:00 AM on 11/16/06
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and they dont put bands on their cover because they respect them...they put them on because it will sell magazines...good strategy if you ask me....a magazine wont do too well if no one buys it...
Alt Press compared Shaant of CIWWAF to Morrissey, how can you take them seriously?
10:09 AM on 11/16/06
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Wow.
How much did they pay you to write this?

How is this not like every other cookie-cutter band out there like this?
They didn't pay me, if you don't believe come over here and look at me $1,000 credit card debt.
04:02 PM on 11/17/06
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You forget that there's a wide range of staff members and contributors writing the content for that magazine. So you're gonna have a mix of people, like people that like FOB with true punks and metalheads and fans of the scene, etc.
Apparently the guy that wrote the revew for Four Letter Lie at Alt Press is in LOVE w/ ska. Right there, he has a bias. AND AGAIN he did not do his reserch and he cited Brian Nagan as the clean vocalist for Four Letter Lie. CLEARLY, the guy did not go into the review with no bias' ... he heard what some kids were saying, took it, and ran with it.

They should let me write ska reviews here, because they would ALL be negative. I don't like the genre.
02:54 PM on 11/18/06
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did victory pay you to write a good review?
Haha, check back a few posts and someone already tried to pull that. No, they did not. You can come over to my house and check my latest bills, I still owe 1 grand to Bank of America.
02:55 PM on 11/18/06
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Thanks to everyone for reading this, I will reply back later. I am going to go watch a movie and drink 40's. byes.
04:47 PM on 11/18/06
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wow... one of the worst reviews i've ever read.... such a horrible album.. avoid at all costs
You thought it was a bad review as in my writing sucks? Or the fact that I gave them a good score?
04:49 PM on 11/18/06
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the most frustrating part of this entire ordeal is that all of the reviews are either making this album sound like the biggest pile of shit on the planet or their sucking it's monster-sized whale penis...

where's the honesty? who really listened to the album? who's buddy-buddy with the band and who has some un-needed grudge against them?

i think these are the factors that are important when we're reading these reviews. the plain truth about this album is that even though there are some good points all in all it's very dissapointing. For anyone who knows anything about this band they would be just as disgusted as the rest of us by just the overall terrible sound of this record. Not that the songwriting is entirely bad...but the record sonically just sounds like shit. On their EP they had the songs 'The Ordinary Life' and 'Let's Call It A Night' (which is now re-titled 'Baby, You're My Bad Habit)...they re-did these songs and it's truly a shame that these new versions are the ways that these songs will be remembered. They just sound washed out and dull. Whoever mixed and mastered this thing must've been really forced to finish it quickly as it's clear that it is very poorly done. Anyone with an ear can agree with that. The instruments lack everything needed in a screamo/metal record...or whatever you want to call this thing.

and as far as the underoath comparisons...if you really want to say that they're not blatantly ripping off that band then take a second, put on this record to the 2nd track, and try to tell me that the breakdown at the end isn't an almost exact replica of the intro to UO's 'in reguards to myself'...the heavy off beat low-note riff into a high dissinant chord thing is almost identical. not saying that UO is the first band in history to write something like this...or even that FLL is the first band to mirror the style of another band...but this shit is just crossing the line between influence and out-right fucking musical plagiarism (if there is a thing...).

"let's just take the same riff, move it up a half-step, change a beat or two, and call it our own."



I say listen to the damn thing and make your own opinion...but for anyone to sit and say that this album is refreshing or anything is just bullshit. I've been a supporter of this band for a very long time...i loved the ep...but i hate this record.
I am confused, you really didn't think I listened to this band? You can ask them what I first said to their street teamers when they spammed the shit out of my e-mail trying to get them on Absolutely Unsigned. You have to be kidding if you think I have some sort of "bias." Ya, they talked to me everyonce in a while but it's not like I grew up with them or anything. Honestly, who cares anyways if I did have a bias. If I didn't like the band, I would have no problem telling them that. However, I do like the band, hence the reason I gave them a good review.
04:50 PM on 11/18/06
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Dude shuttup you list saves the day as one of your fav albums. Go dye your hair pink, this cd is beter than anything those douchebags have done.
Saves The Day is a great band, haha.. hmm, ya.
04:52 PM on 11/18/06
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I was given the new Victory sampler at the World Championship Tour, but I had the misfortune of listening to it on the way home. While Four Letter Lie is the best of the bunch, that's saying absolutely nothing. I'm a huge fan of so many different bands in the scene, and I will give credit when credit is due. But EVERY new band Victory is putting out is essentially a joke, and its sickening.
I can't sit here and say every band I listen to is revolutionary, but I wish they would try something even a little bit different. And if its not going to be different, at least make some effort to do it better! Make it mean something... basically if you want to play screamo, play it well, don't just go through the motions.
I just don't feel anything with this band, and they just don't deserve a good review IMO.
Everything that Victory is putting out is a joke? I don't fully agree but let's just wait, most of their roster is finished with releases and if you look back enough, you can find some INCREDIBLE albums. Maybe in the next year or so some of their stronger roster will put something out, but who know.

It is a shame, I feel like you guys aren't giving the label the benefit of the doubt. You simply fail to look past anything ya know about the label and don't give their bands a chance. Have you taken a listen to Moros Eros? Really interesting stuff.
04:53 PM on 11/18/06
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my opinion: i love the album, i love the band, and can overlook the fact that the newly recorded versions of "ordinary life" and "let's call it a night" sound rather no. i've seen a million more screamo/melodic hardcore/ whatever you want to call them bands that are WAY more generic than these guys. atleast they do use some technique in their riffs, and aren't heavily repetitive. basically, for some reason or another, the album hits me in a spot and i absolutely love it, generic, cookie cutter or not, i don't give a fuck. they did a great album in my opinion and i enjoy it.
Exactly, it is enjoyable stuff.
11:06 AM on 11/19/06
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so i gave this a listen and didnt enjoy it very much. To each his own though, you did your job and got me to try. oh well.
Well, at least you tried, so thank you for that.
11:08 AM on 11/19/06
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If you listened to this band before they were signed, you knew that they were amazing and did a grea job representing Minneapolis. What Victory did to this band was terrible. Making Kevin the head man instead of Brian and putting the spotlight on singing instead of screaming is just not the Four Letter Lie we all knew and loved. I would think most of the old fans are disapointed, as I am, but I wouldn't say all of the songs on the CD are bad, but mostly a disapointment. Make your own dicision on the CD, this is strictly my opinion.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about if you HONESTLY think Victory changes bands. I have heard over and over again how this is not true, at all.
04:21 PM on 11/20/06
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THANK YOU!
im sick of you whinney people ragging on them!
just shut up.
I think he was being sarcastic.
04:21 PM on 11/20/06
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touch'e

this album got ripped apart in AP. but it was mainly due to the fact that they said the album was so unoriginal and you found the sound in a ton of different bands. basically copy-cats of style, but i guess if it's the kind of style you like, you might like this album.
I don't usually like this style, but I don't think they are a copy cat band.. all the way thru...
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