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04:22 PM on 09/17/12 
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Carolina.Alex
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Ron Paul should be ashamed of himself if he doesn't come out and endorse Gary Johnson.


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Why? They disagree on two very important issues; namely, humanitarian military operations and abortion. Ron has had nothing but nice things to say about Gary Johnson, and simply states that every individual should impartially examine the views of every candidate and make up their own mind.
05:04 PM on 09/17/12 
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Why? They disagree on two very important issues; namely, humanitarian military operations and abortion. Ron has had nothing but nice things to say about Gary Johnson, and simply states that every individual should impartially examine the views of every candidate and make up their own mind.

Who favors humanitarian military operations? Paul?
05:19 PM on 09/17/12 
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Why? They disagree on two very important issues; namely, humanitarian military operations and abortion. Ron has had nothing but nice things to say about Gary Johnson, and simply states that every individual should impartially examine the views of every candidate and make up their own mind.



Because while they may have some differences, their similarities are exponentially more similar than that of Paul and Romney. The rational thing to do to progress his cause would be to endorse the person as close as possible to his views. This is probably Pauls last shot to have this magnitude of spotlight, and to not give a boost to a libertarian candidate for the sake of Rand Paul is a shame.
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Who favors humanitarian military operations? Paul?

No, Gary Johnson. For example, he claims that he would support sending a military force to apprehend Kony.

Because while they may have some differences, their similarities are exponentially more similar than that of Paul and Romney. The rational thing to do to progress his cause would be to endorse the person as close as possible to his views. This is probably Pauls last shot to have this magnitude of spotlight, and to not give a boost to a libertarian candidate for the sake of Rand Paul is a shame.

I mean I get what you're saying, but if you're expecting a guy who has only changed his stance on one issue in 30 years (capital punishment) and used to be an OBGYN to endorse a candidate who favors the legalization of abortion... it's just not gonna happen. I also think he knows that most of his support will vote GJ anyway, if they do decide to vote.
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I mean I get what you're saying, but if you're expecting a guy who has only changed his stance on one issue in 30 years (capital punishment) and used to be an OBGYN to endorse a candidate who favors the legalization of abortion...

To be fair, more true libertarians would side with GJ than RP on abortion. Its a major stretch to say its abortion now Rand Paul stopping him from endorsement.

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it's just not gonna happen. I also think he knows that most of his support will vote GJ anyway, if they do decide to vote.

The mobilization power of Paul is massive. Even though his supporters should support GJ, Pauls blessing would be huge.
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No, Gary Johnson. For example, he claims that he would support sending troops for Kony

Interesting. I thought Paul talking about supporting a war from history so thats why I guessed him. I think I'd take Johnson over Paul because of abortion but I wouldn't vote for either.

I assume you're voting for Paul?
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To be fair, more true libertarians would side with GJ than RP on abortion. Its a major stretch to say its abortion now Rand Paul stopping him from endorsement.



The mobilization power of Paul is massive. Even though his supporters should support GJ, Pauls blessing would be huge.

I don't disagree with you, just playing devil's advocate

Interesting. I thought Paul talking about supporting a war from history so thats why I guessed him. I think I'd take Johnson over Paul because of abortion but I wouldn't vote for either.

I assume you're voting for Paul?

NC throws away write-ins, so I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I'm just hoping he reaches the benchmark required for the LP to be included in the 2016 debates, which is unlikely in itself. I think 15% is the magic number, although as we all learned during the RNC, expect the establishment to simply change the rules at the last second to keep out anyone who doesn't fit their mold.

EDIT: We kind of had this discussion back in May, just saw it at the top of the page haha
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NC throws away write-ins, so I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I'm just hoping he reaches the benchmark required for the LP to be included in the 2016 debates, which is unlikely in itself. I think 15% is the magic number, although as we all learned during the RNC, expect the establishment to simply change the rules at the last second to keep out anyone who doesn't fit their mold.

EDIT: We kind of had this discussion back in May, just saw it at the top of the page haha

I suck haha. That is all.
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are most obgyn's against abortion or something? i find paul's stance to be rather at odds with his professed libertarianism.
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I don't disagree with you, just playing devil's advocate



NC throws away write-ins, so I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I'm just hoping he reaches the benchmark required for the LP to be included in the 2016 debates, which is unlikely in itself. I think 15% is the magic number, although as we all learned during the RNC, expect the establishment to simply change the rules at the last second to keep out anyone who doesn't fit their mold.

EDIT: We kind of had this discussion back in May, just saw it at the top of the page haha

Ya isn't he in the debates?
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are most obgyn's against abortion or something? i find paul's stance to be rather at odds with his professed libertarianism.

I have no idea what the statistical view of this demographic is, so in hindsight I guess that was an unfair/misleading attachment.

The term "libertarian" is really a vague umbrella term for dozens of different political philosophies. The primary source of confusion stems from the difference between Libertarian and libertarian (Capital L = the Libertarian Party specifically). Obviously, socialist-libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, and minarchists, for example, will vary wildly in their beliefs, even though they're all technically libertarians.

The main difference in opinion among libertarians on abortion comes down to a disagreement over the point at which an unborn child is "granted" individual rights. For example, Ron Paul believes that life begins with conception, and that a fetus immediately has individual rights to life, liberty, etc. Others argue that an unborn child is not an "individual" until it has reached a stage of viability outside the womb. While (hopefully) every libertarian attempts to apply the non-aggression principle to each issue, this discrepancy in opinion makes reaching a consensus difficult.

Ya isn't he in the debates?

Gary Johnson was allowed to participate in the first two GOP debates, and I believe he was given 6 questions total.
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I have no idea what the statistical view of this demographic is, so in hindsight I guess that was an unfair/misleading attachment.

The term "libertarian" is really a vague umbrella term for dozens of different political philosophies. The primary source of confusion stems from the difference between Libertarian and libertarian (Capital L = the Libertarian Party specifically). Obviously, socialist-libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, and minarchists, for example, will vary wildly in their beliefs, even though they're all technically libertarians.

The main difference in opinion among libertarians on abortion comes down to a disagreement over the point at which an unborn child is "granted" individual rights. For example, Ron Paul believes that life begins with conception, and that a fetus immediately has individual rights to life, liberty, etc. Others argue that an unborn child is not an "individual" until it has reached a stage of viability outside the womb. While (hopefully) every libertarian attempts to apply the non-aggression principle to each issue, this discrepancy in opinion makes reaching a consensus difficult.



Gary Johnson was allowed to participate in the first two GOP debates, and I believe he was given 6 questions total.


No I mean didn't he get on the Presidential debates? I thought he passed 15%?
05:50 AM on 09/19/12 
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No I mean didn't he get on the Presidential debates? I thought he passed 15%?

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i present to you Ron Paul: The Film
It's pretty much his Farewell speech to congress with his points backed up by documents and video clips
Sorry it won't allow embedded viewing .Go to 3:45 to skip the preamble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...2ll lc45628s#!
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