[spiffa0]

Cite sources if you're going to spout bs

[Scrandon]

Looks like a lot of stupid shit is going to be posted I'm these threads over the next few months.

[RyanPm40]

Originally Posted by David87

lolwut? Even if any of this were true...Obama had no hand in writing the bill (which, as many of his supporters will tell you, is part of the problem)

I can't find where I read that this was hidden in the bill, but I did find this:

http://www.therightscoop.com/obama-f...-and-abortion/

He gave Africa $27 mil to support abortions there.

Also, on Obama's opposition to the ban on partial-birth abortion:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040102197.html


Also, Canada does have wait times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ada#Wait_times

You will see that it says Canadians have sent mothers to the US to give birth.

[David87]

He gave an African nation aide to help support their new constitution...he didn't give them money and say "here this is for abortions". We won't even get into how incredibly skewed and biased that link is.


And being opposed to legislation trying to put limit's on a woman's right to choose =/= Trying to "legalize" it.

[J.C.]

I have to side with the kid who put his e-mail address in the location field.

[David87]

Sending mothers to the US to give birth =/= telling a woman who walks in, in labor, that she'll just have to go home and wait 2 weeks.

[David87]

PS I like that "4 hour wait in teh emergency room" statistic.....I've certainly waited longer in the emergency room lol

[RyanPm40]

Originally Posted by J.C.

I have to side with the kid who put his e-mail address in the location field.

Ahaha damn google chrome and its auto-filling.

And, alright. I'm sorry for being uninformed. I'll admit it, I left a post that made me look like a fool. I think I did have some valid points in there, though. We all have our opinions, I just get really heated up over certain topics and make myself seem like an ass without thinking twice about it.

[x togepi x]

Originally Posted by RyanPm40

I'm not saying this is the way I think or this is how I think medical professionals should be like. I'm being realistic. Many doctors are greedy and ignorant today and got in the field for social status and good money. I've witnessed it many times and that's partly why I'm going into the medical field. Because I've been fucked over by those doctors over and over again and want to be different. Very few give a damn anymore. Sad, but true.

So Europe's doctors are just killing everybody?

I grew up with a friend from Canada. His little sister had developmental problems which meant that she had to take super expensive hormones for most of her early life. Even though my friend's family no longer lived in Canada, the Canadian government still paid for those drugs because she was a citizen. so yeah, you're right, their healthcare system is terrible.

[RyanPm40]

I'm just saying that more people will fall through the cracks.
It is obviously an opinion, but I have experienced many doctors, who like many cops, get a power trip with the job position. They think they know better than everyone because they are so smart and make so much money. If they aren't making as much money, people like that won't put nearly as much an effort.

That's just my view.

(but I do see a doctor that people fly out from europe to see, so...)

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by RyanPm40

Ahaha damn google chrome and its auto-filling.

And, alright. I'm sorry for being uninformed. I'll admit it, I left a post that made me look like a fool. I think I did have some valid points in there, though. We all have our opinions, I just get really heated up over certain topics and make myself seem like an ass without thinking twice about it.

In all honesty, I was less offended by your made up statistics and more offended that you'd rail against Obamacare while supporting Romney.

[x togepi x]

Originally Posted by RyanPm40

I'm just saying that more people will fall through the cracks.
It is obviously an opinion, but I have experienced many doctors, who like many cops, get a power trip with the job position. They think they know better than everyone because they are so smart and make so much money. If they aren't making as much money, people like that won't put nearly as much an effort.

That's just my view.

(but I do see a doctor that people fly out from europe to see, so...)

I don't think you can possibly make this claim when there are tons of people in the US who go their lives without seeking treatment for anything other than life threatening situations because they don't want to be shackled with medical debt. The fact that socialist countries tend to have a higher standard of living is inherently tied to the fact that healthcare is provided by the government.

[RyanPm40]

So, what about the people who have rare and almost unknown diseases that could be misdiagnosed as something else, risking the patient's life because you can only go to the everyday shmuck of a doctor that the government forces you to see?

[RyanPm40]

Originally Posted by J.C.

In all honesty, I was less offended by your made up statistics and more offended that you'd rail against Obamacare while supporting Romney.

I will fully admit that I was completely unaware that Romney had a similar plan at all. First time I heard of it. And I'm fully versed in it yet, so I will wait before saying that I am against Romney so far.

[Scrandon]

60 minutes did a report on Americans who travel to India to get medical procedures done for something like 1/10 the cost, because the doctors are paid much less. It was pretty amazing. Two Indian doctors, who were educated in the U.S., passed up jobs here to move back to India, to live below the poverty line in order to become the only doctors in their community.