AbsolutePunk.net
   Username
Password
 
Share
12:22 AM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
Scrandon
*
Scrandon's Avatar
Undeclared
I think Canada is more heavily weighted towards the government side of things though, is it not? At least compared to Australia...I think. Though I think the Australian government subsidises the premiums for private health insurance, or at elast part of them.

They also levy an extra 1% tax if you are deemed well off enough to purchase private health insurance, but do not do so. They have that line set at an income of $100,000 now.
Yes, but the Canadian government does not cover vision or dental, for example. So people get supplemental insurance from their employer if they have a job that provides it.
12:24 AM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
macabre
Everything's done under the sun
macabre's Avatar
Selden, NY
Male - 26 Years Old
I know, but a comparison across countries would surely not account for thousands of possible confounding factors. That's why unless it was done over a range of time periods from the same country, I would challenge its credibility.

But it is an empirical regularity that single-payer systems, across cultures and continents, tend to be on the cheaper side when compared to multi-payer systems. I will check whether any time-series studies exist on the topic but it is worth noting that economies of scale, better risk pooling, and less money being spent on administrative costs should, in theory, reduce premiums.
12:25 AM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
David87
That guy
David87's Avatar
Delaware
Male
Hmm....I see. I any event, I support a mixed approach to the health care problem. I think it promotes competition and allows for costs to come down, which benefits everybody.
12:30 AM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
Scrandon
*
Scrandon's Avatar
Undeclared
But it is an empirical regularity that single-payer systems, across cultures and continents, tend to be on the cheaper side when compared to multi-payer systems. I will check whether any time-series studies exist on the topic but it is worth noting that economies of scale, better risk pooling, and less money being spent on administrative costs should, in theory, reduce premiums.
I mean, it's possible that a health system that covers an entire country could enter diseconomies of scale. But yes, the administrative costs and profits of private insurance companies could probably be put to better use. Keep in mind, the study I cited claims that the U.S. and Canada have roughly similar health outcomes even though we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare, compared to Canada's 11%.
12:53 AM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
macabre
Everything's done under the sun
macabre's Avatar
Selden, NY
Male - 26 Years Old
I mean, it's possible that a health system that covers an entire country could enter diseconomies of scale. But yes, the administrative costs and profits of private insurance companies could probably be put to better use. Keep in mind, the study I cited claims that the U.S. and Canada have roughly similar health outcomes even though we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare, compared to Canada's 11%.

Yeah, that's interesting. Although the Canadian system might not necessarily lead to better outcomes, it is definitely cheaper.

You might be interested in this paper: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...68851003000502
01:11 PM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
Alou
Shenanigans.
Alou's Avatar
Dacula, GA
Male - 23 Years Old
i like romney, we need obama out of office cause it has shown that he is an AWFUL LEADER! all he knows how to do is campaign and give speeches. Pres Bush raised the debt ceiling no problem when he needed to because he was a good leader. we need a moderate republican, like romney. not some extreme liberal or for that matter extreme conservative, like bachman. for god sakes, obama wasn't even siding with his senate about the debt ceiling. he's an idiot who has gotten nothing done and this country while has made little progress, his policies have had nothing to do with it. his stupid stimulus package was a bust and he claims that he's creating so many jobs but he's not. everyone with a brain knows that presidents have nothing to do with the economy so i don't know why he's trying to take any credit for it rebounding somewhat. especially when the unemployment rate is still so high. i am a firm believer that we need to vote all the incumbents, republican or democrat outta office too. vote romney in for pres then have all new people in the house and senate that are up for re-election. we need to show our leaders that they can't get away with this anymore. i know this rant was pretty random but overall, i am a romney supporter

...what the fuck?
08:00 PM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
tdunks523
young
tdunks523's Avatar
Male - 24 Years Old
...what the fuck?
pres obama can't lead which is why the senate and house don't respect him so when he wanted to raise the debt ceiling it took till the last possible day for it to happen
08:05 PM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
tdunks523
young
tdunks523's Avatar
Male - 24 Years Old
huh
08:18 PM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
Jake Gyllenhaal
An alligator with sunglasses?
Jake Gyllenhaal's Avatar
Connecticut
Male
pres obama can't lead which is why the senate and house don't respect him so when he wanted to raise the debt ceiling it took till the last possible day for it to happen

Congress was made up of mostly Republicans for most of Bush's two terms. Thanks to the Republican takeover of the House at the beginning of the year, they've become more stubborn regarding compromising the Obama administration.
08:40 PM on 08/16/11 
Offline
User Info.
The Personist
http://davidwpritchard.tumblr.co m
The Personist's Avatar
Male - 25 Years Old
pres obama can't lead which is why the senate and house don't respect him so when he wanted to raise the debt ceiling it took till the last possible day for it to happen

I just want to make it clear that this is bullshit and has nothing to do with Obama's leadership. There is plenty that has gotten done during his term, notwithstanding the ridiculous demands of the Republican party, whose various forced compromises have actually pulled us further to the right than we were before in some areas. I saw, though, on Maddow, that Obama has accomplished 85% of his agenda within 2 years. That's pretty damn good. I am very, very far to the left, and he has disappointed me in many regards. However, setting aside my partisanship, I still think he's a good president and I want him to stay around for a second term.

As for the debt ceiling, when the most recent Congress was sworn in, many conservatives conceived of it as a mandate in favor of the Tea Party's bullshit conservatism. As such, spineless whelp John Boehner ran to where the money was in the far right. He swore, back in January, that there would be hell to pay when it came time to raise the debt ceiling. This has nothing to do with Obama. It is a Republican promise that there would be a knock-down, drag-out fight. So don't go blaming Obama for that which was out of his control. There is plenty of reason to be frustrated with him, but I'd rather be frustrated than dismal and depressed.
08:13 AM on 08/18/11 
Offline
User Info.
tdunks523
young
tdunks523's Avatar
Male - 24 Years Old
Congress was made up of mostly Republicans for most of Bush's two terms. Thanks to the Republican takeover of the House at the beginning of the year, they've become more stubborn regarding compromising the Obama administration.
during the last part of pres bush's term it was basically all democrat. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_1...28-500803.html
that arrticle is published in 08 when democrats con trolled congress
08:23 AM on 08/18/11 
Offline
User Info.
tdunks523
young
tdunks523's Avatar
Male - 24 Years Old
I just want to make it clear that this is bullshit and has nothing to do with Obama's leadership. There is plenty that has gotten done during his term, notwithstanding the ridiculous demands of the Republican party, whose various forced compromises have actually pulled us further to the right than we were before in some areas. I saw, though, on Maddow, that Obama has accomplished 85% of his agenda within 2 years. That's pretty damn good. I am very, very far to the left, and he has disappointed me in many regards. However, setting aside my partisanship, I still think he's a good president and I want him to stay around for a second term.

As for the debt ceiling, when the most recent Congress was sworn in, many conservatives conceived of it as a mandate in favor of the Tea Party's bullshit conservatism. As such, spineless whelp John Boehner ran to where the money was in the far right. He swore, back in January, that there would be hell to pay when it came time to raise the debt ceiling. This has nothing to do with Obama. It is a Republican promise that there would be a knock-down, drag-out fight. So don't go blaming Obama for that which was out of his control. There is plenty of reason to be frustrated with him, but I'd rather be frustrated than dismal and depressed.
he's gotten all this done with a huge majority in the house and senate so stop saying he's such a great leader when he had all the help in the world. Bush got alot done to when rapublicans controlled congress so that's a fail. So republicans have ridicoulous demands but democrats don't? Do you watch anything besaide cnbc? This whole health care thing came at such an awful time. don't push your own agenda whhen the economy is in a recession and americans keep losing their job. When Clintion tried reforming health care, which failed obviously, It was when the economy was great and that's why people weren't so mad about it like they are now. Also, our government is based on compromise, both parties compromising with eachother. which is why, as a republican, i can admit that was one of pres bush's failures. he's too conservative. it's also one of obama'a failures too, being too left. The tea party also is way too conservative. but, Boehner had to compormise with his party in order to get the votes needed to pass his plan for raising the debt ceiling. which is more than any democrat could say because they just sat and watched republicans come up with ideas while they sat and did nothing. And to your last point, If Obama was really such a good leader, he could have compromised and got a deal done way before the deadline. but he's not so it turned into a "knock-down, drag-out fight". But he didn't because he's so leftist and doesn't care about anything except his own political agenda.
08:27 AM on 08/18/11 
Offline
User Info.
paper halo
we're just a million little gods
paper halo's Avatar
Lincoln, UK
Male
he's gotten all this done with a huge majority in the house and senate so stop saying he's such a great leader when he had all the help in the world. Bush got alot done to when rapublicans controlled congress so that's a fail. So republicans have ridicoulous demands but democrats don't? Do you watch anything besaide cnbc? This whole health care thing came at such an awful time. don't push your own agenda whhen the economy is in a recession and americans keep losing their job. When Clintion tried reforming health care, which failed obviously, It was when the economy was great and that's why people weren't so mad about it like they are now. Also, our government is based on compromise, both parties compromising with eachother. which is why, as a republican, i can admit that was one of pres bush's failures. he's too conservative. it's also one of obama'a failures too, being too left. The tea party also is way too conservative. but, Boehner had to compormise with his party in order to get the votes needed to pass his plan for raising the debt ceiling. which is more than any democrat could say because they just sat and watched republicans come up with ideas while they sat and did nothing. And to your last point, If Obama was really such a good leader, he could have compromised and got a deal done way before the deadline. but he's not so it turned into a "knock-down, drag-out fight". But he didn't because he's so leftist and doesn't care about anything except his own political agenda.

Lol. One of Obama's biggest failures was not going far enough to the left.
08:37 AM on 08/18/11 
Offline
User Info.
paper halo
we're just a million little gods
paper halo's Avatar
Lincoln, UK
Male
HHahaha, yeah anyone that says he's too liberal can suck it at this point.

It seems to be one of the Republican party's greatest accomplishments, to convince so many people that he's an "extreme leftist".
10:12 AM on 08/18/11 
Offline
User Info.
J.C.
adorkable
J.C.'s Avatar
New Haven, CT
ya boy - 28 Years Old
Also, our government is based on compromise, both parties compromising with eachother. which is why, as a republican, i can admit that was one of pres bush's failures. he's too conservative. it's also one of obama'a failures too, being too left. The tea party also is way too conservative. but, Boehner had to compormise with his party in order to get party in order to get the votes needed to pass his plan for raising the debt ceiling. which is more than any democrat could say because they just sat and watched republicans come up with ideas while they sat and did nothing. And to your last point, If Obama was really such a good leader, he could have compromised and got a deal done way before the deadline


Boehner said he got 98% of what he wanted, but your criticism is that Obama wasn't willing to give enough?



NEWS, MUSIC & MORE
Search News
Release Dates
Exclusives
Best New Music
Articles
CONNECT
Submit News
Forums
Contests
Mobile Version
AP.net Logos
HIDDEN TREASURES
AbsolutePunk Podcast
Free Music
Sports Forum
Technology Forum
Recommendations
INFORMATION
Advertising
Contact Us
Copyright Policy
Terms of Service
Privacy Policy
FOLLOW
Twitter | Facebook | RSS
PropertyOfZack
UnderTheGun
Purevolume
Chorus.fm | @jason_tate