Rise is definitely climbing out of the muck, that's for sure.

inb4"victorycore"

Originally Posted by betweenvega

No, Rise is not owned by Victory.

And your second thought is bullshit... Rise Records got STARTED in this kind of music. I already posted about this earlier in the thread, but clue yourself into Rises' first releases.
The way I see it, it's not as simple as "pop-punk is getting big again so the labels are signing pop-punk bands." That's such a load. How about pop-punk is getting big again because the labels are signing GOOD bands that put out GOOD releases? That creates the market for it, not all of a sudden everyone got sick of crab core and went back to pop-punk.

Crabcore was actually just a "genre" (if you could call it that) of one: Attack Attack! Of Mice & Men tends to get grouped in there because of Austin Carlile, but when crabcore came around, Austin was already starting Of Mice.

Just food for thought.

Originally Posted by betweenvega

Yeah I know this but the semantics don't change the point.

If your point is that Attack Attack was the band that launched a thousand ripoffs, then yes, I understand it entirely.

Rise, however, is a label that takes in a majority of its income from those ripoffs. People aren't "switching back to pop-punk," otherwise, the world would never have heard of That's Outrageous!, Abandon All Ships, or Woe, Is Me, all of which released debuts sometime within the last 18 months.

Now, look at the year in pop-punk. New Found Glory, blink-182, Mayday Parade, All Time Low, and multiple others I have neither the time nor the patience to list have all released albums, the majority of which (can't really call the ATL album great) have been successes. Rise isn't going back to its roots, it's stocking up.

It's a scene label. It always has been, it always will be. Whatever's popular, Rise will market it. It's why "crabcore" succeeded, and it's why they're going for all these pop-punk bands now.

Originally Posted by inthemix

when things begin to become popular again with kids, it also generates more kids starting those types of bands. When that happens, there are more bands that are good in a genre.

True, but for every pound of gold, there are two pounds of shit. It's why the term "screamo" has been pretty much saturated by non-screamo bands to the point where we even had to rebrand it "genericore."

Not that t