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10:01 PM on 06/15/12 
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Obama also deported more illegals than Bush ever did and is now granting amnesty to migrant workers

It's not a defense of Obama to point out he's a politician, because I'm not a big fan of politicians. But dude was a huge stoner back in the day and very obviously is waiting til it won't hurt him politically to say "hey, legalize the shit"....either that or waiting for Joe Biden to slip up and say it first.
10:06 PM on 06/15/12 
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And, FTR, there are some rumors floating out there that that moment will be coming very soon. (obama saying it, not Biden accidentally saying it)
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I read through Gary Johnson's On The Issues page and I like a good amount of what I see. Seems straightforward enough. Though, I'm sure we'll find out he raped a hooker and sent their accidental love child to Guatemala using campaign funds or something silly like that.
11:02 PM on 06/15/12 
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"No federal funding for Stem cell research" blech

And disasgree with at least 85% of this..
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  • Cut federal budget by 43% to bring it into balance. (Feb 2012)
  • Trillion-dollar stimulus failed; so will another $450B? (Sep 2011)
  • We could have avoided default without raising debt ceiling. (Aug 2011)
  • Ending the fed OK, but that's only part of the solution. (Aug 2011)
  • Stop incurring more debt; balanced budget by 2013. (Jul 2011)
  • Our debt is greatest threat to our national security. (Jul 2011)
  • Opposed TARP, stimulus & Fannie Mae bailout. (Jul 2011)
  • End the Fed; they've devalued the dollar by printing money. (May 2011)
  • On verge of financial collapse unless we balance budget. (May 2011)
  • Balance budget by cutting entitlements AND Defense. (Apr 2011)
  • Uphold commitments to states before other spending. (Sep 2001)

"eliminate corporate income tax" no

No to all of this..
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  • Education Dept. takes 16 cents for every 11 cents it gives. (Sep 2011)
  • Abolish Departments of Education and HUD. (Aug 2011)
  • Give every student in New Mexico vouchers worth $3,500. (Jul 2011)
  • Put educational funds in the hands of the people who use it. (May 2011)
  • End the Department of Education. (May 2011)


Bunch of other stuff I don't agree with. Some I do agree with though
11:03 PM on 06/15/12 
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I would love to read up on libertarian economic policy. What is bringing back the gold standard supposed to do? I don't get it.
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Some I do agree with though
I can't help but assume the things you agree with him on (and many other people probably feel the same way, I'm sure) are social issues?
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Mostly foreign policy stuff.....social issues libertarians are meh....they don't believe in allowing government to restrict people's rights which I love, but I'm pretty sure they're also not in favor of using government to help advance civil rights causes. But I could be wrong about that...it seems to differ from person to person really
10:24 AM on 06/16/12 
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He's a really good candidate. I'd vote for him, but I'm Canadian.
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Obama also deported more illegals than Bush ever did and is now granting amnesty to migrant workers

It's not a defense of Obama to point out he's a politician, because I'm not a big fan of politicians. But dude was a huge stoner back in the day and very obviously is waiting til it won't hurt him politically to say "hey, legalize the shit"....either that or waiting for Joe Biden to slip up and say it first.

How is this not a defense for someone who wants him to support legalization? Its the "he's a politician" defense. I'm not saying you're not making a point, and it is a clever point to make, I'm just saying I don't buy it, and its a bit of a dangerous defense to accept.

voter: I may not vote for Obama because of his global human rights record, with the excessive increase in drone strikes, plus the execution of citizens without trial.
obama supporter: He is probably just waiting for the right time to end drone strikes, and denounce the execution of citizens without trial. Look at his recent gay rights and immigration turn arounds.

Between this and "he would have done it but its the republicans fault" Obama can basically be free of criticism.


Also, relevant to the thread, I could never vote libertarian because I have no faith in the free market, where they seem to have all out faith. I think most social problems go hand in hand with the problems of the free market.
11:23 AM on 06/16/12 
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You have no faith in the free market? seriously? what's the superior alternative?
11:24 AM on 06/16/12 
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You have no faith in the free market? seriously? what's the superior alternative?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism

Or at least some very serious regulations of the market, making it far from "free"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
11:36 AM on 06/16/12 
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The superior alternative is to deny people private property and the freedom of exchange, obviously.
11:38 AM on 06/16/12 
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*limit, not deny. And that's one superior alternative.
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..and along with it, the freedom to choose how to live one's life.
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Hyperbole. As if capitalism doesn't have severe limits on how to live based off of financial ability. Of course if you're at or near the top everything can seem just peachy.



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