Originally Posted by drewbaldy

Yeah. After the top 15 it's not very good.

What does that even mean? Straight trolling.

Originally Posted by rawesome

My assumption is that people who say shit like this haven't spent a lot of time listening to The Beatles (which is fine, whatever), mostly because their palette isn't adjusted to older music with lower production quality, etc. And because, in 2012, listening to their early stuff does feel really dated and kind of vapid. I mean, to really appreciate their work, you have to listen to like A Hard Day's Night and go on from there. And at that point, they become less accessible, and I can honestly see why someone who listens primarily to pop-punk or like modern pop music (which is fine, whatever) would have trouble getting comfortable with a lot of their later work, since it is, by and large, pretty complex in its structure and arrangements (especially when compared to like Saves the Day or whatever). It just requires more of the listener than they're used to, and so instead of putting in that effort (or maybe they just don't know how - which isn't an insult or criticism, btw), they just immediately dislike it.

In the end, it obviously doesn't matter what other people do or don't listen to, but I just don't understand why they feel the need to make claims like the band is "overrated" or, worse, not any good, when that's just objectively wrong. And I'm not even like a huge fan (I only own like two full-lengths and a couple of "hits" collections), but c'mon.

I know how to listen to music. Grew up listening to a lot of old music.

Originally Posted by Holly HoX!

What does that even mean? Straight trolling.

No. I've listened to a lot of their music. You said have you listened to more than 15 of their songs. They put out so much music in such a short period of time that they put out a lot of garbage.

Originally Posted by Holly HoX!

Have you listened to more than "15 songs?"

Lol. Dude you seriously need to tone it down a notch

You can't say he doesn't make a valid point, I mean, if the whole "refrigerator for his fur coats" thing is true, then he does make a point.

Originally Posted by Fringe

Lol. Dude you seriously need to tone it down a notch

Sure, Dad.

Originally Posted by drewbaldy

I know how to listen to music. Grew up listening to a lot of old music.

Alright man. I'm inclined to believe you, but you have yet to provide any sort of rationale or useful criticism to prove it.

I love how Frank Turner reads my mind and announces everything to his public.

Originally Posted by rawesome

Alright man. I'm inclined to believe you, but you have yet to provide any sort of rationale or useful criticism to prove it.

Except for the giant catalogue of music they released and less than half of it is even listenable

Hahaha OK

DEFEND POP PUNK lulz

Originally Posted by fna4

Only on this site will someone get crucified for saying TWY or NFG aren't the best bands ever but calling out John Fucking Lennon is perfectly accepted.

This.

Originally Posted by DylanPPPP

Frank Turner and The Beatles getting so much hate in one thread really breaks my heart

It breaks mine too.

Originally Posted by deanster321

and yet we still get this:

Originally Posted by rawesome

My assumption is that people who say shit like this haven't spent a lot of time listening to The Beatles (which is fine, whatever), mostly because their palette isn't adjusted to older music with lower production quality, etc. And because, in 2012, listening to their early stuff does feel really dated and kind of vapid. I mean, to really appreciate their work, you have to listen to like A Hard Day's Night and go on from there. And at that point, they become less accessible, and I can honestly see why someone who listens primarily to pop-punk or like modern pop music (which is fine, whatever) would have trouble getting comfortable with a lot of their later work, since it is, by and large, pretty complex in its structure and arrangements (especially when compared to like Saves the Day or whatever). It just requires more of the listener than they're used to, and so instead of putting in that effort (or maybe they just don't know how - which isn't an insult or criticism, btw), they just immediately dislike it.

In the end, it obviously doesn't matter what other people do or don't listen to, but I just don't understand why they feel the need to make claims like the band is "overrated" or, worse, not any good, when that's just objectively wrong. And I'm not even like a huge fan (I only own like two full-lengths and a couple of "hits" collections), but c'mon.

You can dislike 'Imagine' and still like the Beatles... just sayin'.

Originally Posted by SophGod

you did not read the article.

Actually, I did. It's a great song musically, regardless of whether you think the words are pretentious or hypocritical or whatever.