I'm in total agreement with you on this one. I liked the technical aspect and production on Number[s], which is why I kind of enjoyed most of the album and "Vengeance". This album's biggest problem is that they're trying way too hard to make people focus on the lyrical aspect, which is the weakest part about the band. I cringe every time I watch that lyric video for "I've Told You Once" for that reason. It's like they want you to really study the horrible, generic lyrics and analyze them, when there's zero subtext to them at all to study.

Everything else is by-the-numbers bad, but it's specifically the lyrics that make the record go from bad to completely terrible.

Originally Posted by PengusNiugnep

Don't you mean by-the-number[s]?
...yeah, I groaned at that one, too.

I'm guessing this isn't even worth checking out, especially is Tyler was the only thing I really enjoyed from the first album.

Ba dum ts[s]

Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd

What TECHNICAL aspect?! Is that a joke? I played the intro to every song and guess what, there is nothing technical about palm mute chugging open strings in drop D/C or whatever they're tuned in. There is not one track of music this band has ever created that should be given credit. Music is dead.

I was referring to how the album was mixed. I personally enjoyed how they mixed in the electronic elements in with their sound on Number[s], if that makes sense. I honestly can't think of another way to explain it other than that.

I'm not saying this band is revolutionary or doing things remarkably different from their counterparts in any way; I just enjoyed that part of the record.