[TJ Wells]

Of the two Kubricks I've yet to see, Barry Lyndon and Eyes Wide Shut, which should I watch first?

[Theseventhson]

Barry Lyndon

[theDrivingSnow]

Those are probably my two favorite Kubricks.

[Tetragrammaton]

Barry Lyndon is a masterpiece.

[jawstheme]

They're both worth watching but if you're asking which is better its Barry Lyndon.

[Tetragrammaton]

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Dr. Strangelove
3. Barry Lyndon
4. Paths of Glory
5. The Killing
6. Lolita
7. A Clockwork Orange
8. Eyes Wide Shut
9. The Shining
10. Full Metal Jacket
11. Killer's Kiss
12. Spartacus
13. Fear and Desire

[theDrivingSnow]

Dr. Strangelove is a bit overrated if you ask me.

[Tetragrammaton]

Originally Posted by Stephen Chamberlain

Dr. Strangelove is a bit overrated if you ask me.

You longfaced, overdressed anarchist.

[theDrivingSnow]

Pretty cool.

[Tetragrammaton]

To everyone, what do you think of this list ran two months ago of the greatest working directors?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/...ors-world-2012

Lynne Ramsey does not belong based off her last film, Nicolas Winding Refn is not good, and Jason Reitman is a hack. I don't think I have ever seen a Joss Whedon film but he has never made anything that looks interesting either. Terrence Malick at 22 below charlatans like Steve McQueen is goofy.

[josepablo32]

Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton

To everyone, what do you think of this list ran two months ago of the greatest working directors?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/...ors-world-2012

Lynne Ramsey does not belong based off her last film, Nicolas Winding Refn is not good, and Jason Reitman is a hack. I don't think I have ever seen a Joss Whedon film but he has never made anything that looks interesting either. Terrence Malick at 22 below charlatans like Steve McQueen is goofy.

Didn't like Drive?

[theDrivingSnow]

Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton

To everyone, what do you think of this list ran two months ago of the greatest working directors?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/...ors-world-2012

Lynne Ramsey does not belong based off her last film, Nicolas Winding Refn is not good, and Jason Reitman is a hack. I don't think I have ever seen a Joss Whedon film but he has never made anything that looks interesting either. Terrence Malick at 22 below charlatans like Steve McQueen is goofy.

I think it's a terrible list to be frank. I agree with all your points except I like Refn and McQueen; not sure why you call the latter a charlatan.

Pedro Costa is the most glaring omission; he would be my top choice if it weren't for Philippe Grandrieux, but I wouldn't expect a mainstream-leaning publication like Guardian to select him. Though, unlike Costa, he's released something relatively recently. And no Claire Denis?! Get the fuck outta here.

I like Leos Carax, but until Holy Motors (which I haven't yet seen) he hadn't produced a feature since '99, so it seems weird to include and rank him so highly. As you said, Ramsay blew any chance with We Need to Talk About Kevin, a revolting film. Speaking of which, depending on how Simon Killer is, Antonio Campos might deserve a place; I really liked Afterschool, which starred Ezra Miller. Bruno Dumont should probably be in the running, too.

[theDrivingSnow]

How the fuck did the Guardian and I neglect to mention Nuri Bilge Ceylan? And Weerasethakul?

And Haneke is a bit overrated, but c'mon, have to include him.

[Tetragrammaton]

Originally Posted by josepablo32

Didn't like Drive?

It is okay. I don't like the other two films of his.

Originally Posted by Stephen Chamberlain

I think it's a terrible list to be frank. I agree with all your points except I like Refn and McQueen; not sure why you call the latter a charlatan.

What about McQueen do you like? Hunger was all right but Shame is a disaster.

[theDrivingSnow]

Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton

It is okay. I don't like the other two films of his.



What about McQueen do you like? Hunger was all right but Shame is a disaster.

I don't think either of them are amazing or anything (I too preferred Hunger), but I think he's a promising director. "Charlatan" seems a strange word to describe him, unless you have some evidence to back up the implicit statement of such a claim.