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10:41 AM on 01/03/13 
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Today The Plot In You released a song marketed as an attack on their labelmate Austin Carlile. We've also seen "dis tracks" from Attack Attack, Issues, etc. and they seem to generate a good amount of publicity, along with band splits that create equally profitable bands (Of Mice & Men, Issues, etc.)

I'm starting to think that most of this is fake in the same vein as publicity beef in rap music. If nothing else I believe that the label encourages bands and members to squabble with each other, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was mostly total fiction invented by the label, and the bands are just putting on a show. I'd bet money that Beartooth (Caleb Shomo's new band following Attack Attack!) will sign to Rise and start raking in even more money, while Attack Attack! continues to be popular. They split up their bands behind the scenes, the fans latch on to the tabloid-esque stories, and the label immediately has another band that's equally as successful and profitable.

Does this sound like a dumb conspiracy theory or could all the diva-style fighting that goes on with these metalcore bands really be faked by the label?
11:09 AM on 01/03/13 
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who the fuck listens to this shit, let alone follows the "drama"?

I don't listen to Issues or Woe, is Me. I like Of Mice & Men, I like the last Attack Attack record and I dig what I've heard from Beartooth so far. If you follow Property of Zack for music news at all it all kind of gets thrown in your face, they report on stuff like this nonstop.
11:19 AM on 01/03/13 
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Why would they fake this shit, to make people think that everyone on their label is white trash?

also what hip-hops beefs are you talking about?

There are undeniable benefits to having bands split the way they so frequently do. The original band continues with the same level of success, and the new band gets an extreme jumpstart thanks to name recognition/association with the original band. In the end the label doubles their returns since the new band usually achieves a similar level of popularity.

I'm thinking of situations like the 50 Cent/Floyd Mayweather twitter stuff, Drake/Common feud, Lil Wayne/Pusha T, things like that where there's no real animosity between the people involved and they're just doing it to generate attention for both artists.
03:16 PM on 01/03/13 
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Wouldn't they have the same level of success just by saying that the member split because of creative differences or something along those lines?

I'm pretty sure the only one of those that was actually fake was the 50 one, the other ones perhaps were blown out of proportion, but they were there. I could be wrong though, I don't really pay attention to that stuff.

I kind of doubt it... people love their gossip and the more volatile a situation is the more interest it'll generate.

As far as I know the entire G.O.O.D. music vs. YMCMB incident was definitely a stunt, and the Drake/Common thing was blown way out of proportion by the media. I probably pay attention too much haha
03:23 PM on 01/03/13 
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Not when you all play the same song, like these guys.

Ehhhh...



Wouldn't really call the two bands similar anymore.
06:18 PM on 01/03/13 
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ITT: OP implies that there is no beef among bands in similar genres that AP.net covers.

-Sherri / Max Bemis and Chad Gilbert
- A Day to Remember and various other bands.
-NOFX and Underoath
-Fat Mike and Propaghandi
-Fat Mike and Chris Hannah
-Escape the Fate and Ronnie Ratke (or however you spell it)
-Slipknot and Mushroomhead (and actually a lot of other bands too)

Artists who make similar music have been beefing since the Baroque period. It just so happens that these bands are on the same label. There is no way that Rise is going to try to censor what their bands say to each other and risk damaging their good reputation as a record label. All of the effort that it would take for them to facilitate these rivalries would earn them a minimal amount of profit as hardly anyone is going to buy these albums just to hear the few minutes of beef in lyrics.

Never implied that there are never conflicts between other bands within AP genres, I'm not sure where you're getting that. I also didn't say anything about Rise censoring their bands, I think at this point they're either encouraging non-amicable band splits or staging them entirely.

I think you'd be surprised about the rewards for the label, Issues' debut EP hit 96 on the Billboard 200, actually performing better than either of Woe, is Me's records. Of Mice & Men, another band born out of a Rise records split, also put out records that perform pretty much on-par with Attack Attack!. Attack Attack! are a pretty damn profitable band, too: Their last two records charted at 26 and 11 on the Billboard 200. I'd argue that the primary reason OM&M has had similar success is that Austin had a pretty public falling out with AA!, only makes sense that the label would want to try and replicate that type of success with Tyler Carter and the Issues situation.

AHAHAAHA IMAGINE CARING ABOUT ANY OF THIS WHAT A FUCKING DORK AHAHAHAH

I find it interesting, I'm not sure why that's so awful.
02:42 AM on 01/05/13 
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just compared shit metalcore to prince and drake

He compared the COMPARISON of Prince and Drake to the COMPARISON between the Of Mice & Men and Attack Attack! songs, not the artists themselves.
12:53 PM on 01/07/13 
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How I feel:

10:47 AM on 05/28/13 
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http://mindequalsblown.net/2013/05/14/interview-issues/

I guess there's some truth to it after all



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