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12:31 PM on 01/04/13 
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For the most part, it's not sarcasm. Employers should have the right to only employ healthy, virus-free, drug-free, honest employees. Testing would only weed out the undesirables.

..so chronically ill patients looking for jobs should just piss off? haha hiring someone based on their health is pretty discriminatory
12:33 PM on 01/04/13 
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..so chronically ill patients looking for jobs should just piss off? haha hiring someone based on their health is pretty discriminatory

... and people with the Aids virus too
12:35 PM on 01/04/13 
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..so chronically ill patients looking for jobs should just piss off? haha hiring someone based on their health is pretty discriminatory

They should not bother applying to jobs that require so many vaccination requirements. I'm not saying EVERY employer needs these mandatory vaccinations, but if a business wants to impose so many of them, then they should. If you want a job that doesn't require vaccinations and drug testing, there are plenty of businesses out there hiring.
12:38 PM on 01/04/13 
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Employers should have the right to impose any vaccine/drug testing/lie-detector testing on their employees. If the employees object to it, then employers will just fire them and hire someone willing to be subjected to the tests.

Do you think they should have that right?
12:43 PM on 01/04/13 
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Do you think they should have that right?

Personally, no. But who am I to tell businesses how they should operate?
12:45 PM on 01/04/13 
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Do you think they should have that right?

Personally, no. But who am I to tell businesses how they should operate?

Employers should have the right to impose any vaccine/drug testing/lie-detector testing on their employees. If the employees object to it, then employers will just fire them and hire someone willing to be subjected to the tests.

I'm confused
12:50 PM on 01/04/13 
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Personally, I wish employers wouldn't be so strict with employees. It would be great if they didn't force vaccinations and drug testing. But who are we to deny their right to do so?
12:51 PM on 01/04/13 
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I work for a health insurance provider (which also has it's own hospitals, etc) and even though I'm just in an office environment, I either have to get the flu shot or wear a mask to work everyday.

Not really sure why someone wouldn't get it?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/30/health...ase/index.html
12:54 PM on 01/04/13 
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Personally, no. But who am I to tell businesses how they should operate?

But business get to decide how people should live otherwise. As long as the employee isn't effecting the business through their habits I don't see why they should be able to control their private decisions.

The flu shots at the hospital is something where I can see a strong enough interest for business to be justified. You want your employees healthy and available in the winter months as a medical center. Mandatory drug testing annoys me though.
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Personally, I wish employers wouldn't be so strict with employees. It would be great if they didn't force vaccinations and drug testing. But who are we to deny their right to do so?

Well, it's kind of a difficult situation. I think that employers should have the right to hire/fire who they want, and make their own rules. If I am paying someone to perform a job, I expect the job to be done the way I want it done. For example, if I was to hire someone to babysit my (hypothetical) children, I'd want to make sure that they were healthy, sober, safe, etc...

BUT at the same time, people should be able to work without having to compromise their beliefs and values...

I personally don't think you should be forced to be vaccinated to work, but I can see why some employers might deem it necessary. It's just an interesting subject to discuss

I work for a health insurance provider (which also has it's own hospitals, etc) and even though I'm just in an office environment, I either have to get the flu shot or wear a mask to work everyday.

Not really sure why someone wouldn't get it?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/30/health...ase/index.html

I posted a link above that shows reasons why someone might not want to get a flu shot. There are benefits and drawbacks to everything, and it seems like people should have the right to weigh the options for themselves... especially when concerning their own health... in my eyes, the debate comes in when you are putting other people's health at risk (i.e. working at a hospital)... but where do we draw the line? Would you be okay with the government enforcing mandatory vaccinations if there was a supposed outbreak of some kind?



I also wonder how this relates to the debate on abortion? Obviously, this is a much different issue, but the woman in the initial article was arguing "I have the right to do what I chose... it's my body"
01:00 PM on 01/04/13 
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But business get to decide how people should live otherwise. As long as the employee isn't effecting the business through their habits I don't see why they should be able to control their private decisions.

The flu shots at the hospital is something where I can see a strong enough interest for business to be justified. You want your employees healthy and available in the winter months as a medical center. Mandatory drug testing annoys me though.

I agree with this.

I don't think an employer should have any right to say what you can and can't do when you are off the clock, as long as you aren't making the business suffer in any way.

If you come to work every day and perform at 100% then who are they to say what I can and can't do at home in my off time.
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But business get to decide how people should live otherwise. As long as the employee isn't effecting the business through their habits I don't see why they should be able to control their private decisions.

The flu shots at the hospital is something where I can see a strong enough interest for business to be justified. You want your employees healthy and available in the winter months as a medical center. Mandatory drug testing annoys me though.

I agree with this.

I don't think an employer should have any right to say what you can and can't do when you are off the clock, as long as you aren't making the business suffer in any way.

If you come to work every day and perform at 100% then who are they to say what I can and can't do at home in my off time.

Just playing devils advocate (especially because this is the business I'm in), but an employees habit does sometimes affect the business. Employees who are obese, smokers, drug addicts, or subject themselves to unhealthy habits end up costing the business a ton in health insurance costs. Especially with small businesses... no word of lie I've seen 1 single employee cost a small business an extra $14,000 in health insurance premium throughout the year.

I do agree with you guys to a certain extent though... the answer isn't regulating employees outside of when they're working. But those decisions can cost their business.
01:09 PM on 01/04/13 
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we could address the egregious lack of sick time in this country

or maybe just at my job

honestly i am sick more than 4 days a year, wtf
01:12 PM on 01/04/13 
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Just playing devils advocate (especially because this is the business I'm in), but an employees habit does sometimes affect the business. Employees who are obese, smokers, drug addicts, or subject themselves to unhealthy habits end up costing the business a ton in health insurance costs. Especially with small businesses... no word of lie I've seen 1 single employee cost a small business an extra $14,000 in health insurance premium throughout the year.

I do agree with you guys to a certain extent though... the answer isn't regulating employees outside of when they're working. But those decisions can cost their business.

Well I don't think health insurance should be tied to employment at all as it creates excuses to regulate employees like this, and is the biggest excuse for wage stagnation as well, but I'm a radical socialist.

If you can regulate an employee based on their health costs/possible issues you create a legitimate slippery slope and could probably reach into every area of an employee's private life.
01:14 PM on 01/04/13 
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we could address the egregious lack of sick time in this country

or maybe just at my job

honestly i am sick more than 4 days a year, wtf

Seriously though, our country sucks when it comes to time off.



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