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12:17 PM on 01/04/13 
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sjb2k1
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Seriously though, our country sucks when it comes to time off.
it really, really does. if i can anticipate needing to take a day off unpaid after using up all my PTO, fine. but the sick time thing...i went back to work still sounding like shit and coughing everywhere two weeks ago because i was out of sick time and just could not afford to take another unanticipated unpaid day.
edit: i realize im lucky to get sick time to begin with but that's not my point
12:22 PM on 01/04/13 
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Just playing devils advocate (especially because this is the business I'm in), but an employees habit does sometimes affect the business. Employees who are obese, smokers, drug addicts, or subject themselves to unhealthy habits end up costing the business a ton in health insurance costs. Especially with small businesses... no word of lie I've seen 1 single employee cost a small business an extra $14,000 in health insurance premium throughout the year.

I do agree with you guys to a certain extent though... the answer isn't regulating employees outside of when they're working. But those decisions can cost their business.

I have a chronic illness that causes me to take two antibiotics daily and many doctor's appointments. A business shouldn't hire me because of this? I can't help that I'm sick, they're the ones providing the health insurance haha. I know it's not great for a business, but I'd be highly offended if a place didn't hire me even though I'm more qualified than any other, just for being sick..
12:24 PM on 01/04/13 
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Well I don't think health insurance should be tied to employment at all as it creates excuses to regulate employees like this, and is the biggest excuse for wage stagnation as well, but I'm a radical socialist.

If you can regulate an employee based on their health costs/possible issues you create a legitimate slippery slope and could probably reach into every area of an employee's private life.

Very fair point. This is something Obamacare should fix.. since employer based insurance is guaranteed acceptance it kind of has to be tied together.. but once people can't be turned down for their own personal plans my previous argument will have little weight.
12:25 PM on 01/04/13 
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it really, really does. if i can anticipate needing to take a day off unpaid after using up all my PTO, fine. but the sick time thing...i went back to work still sounding like shit and coughing everywhere two weeks ago because i was out of sick time and just could not afford to take another unanticipated unpaid day.
edit: i realize im lucky to get sick time to begin with but that's not my point

Yeah, seriously. Also, at my work you can get yelled at/penalized for not giving like a few days notice. Like wtf? Sometimes you just get sick all of a sudden. I've been on my way out the door to work then all of a sudden had to throw up in the toilet right before out of nowhere haha
12:28 PM on 01/04/13 
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I have a chronic illness that causes me to take two antibiotics daily and many doctor's appointments. A business shouldn't hire me because of this? I can't help that I'm sick, they're the ones providing the health insurance haha. I know it's not great for a business, but I'd be highly offended if a place didn't hire me even though I'm more qualified than any other, just for being sick..

That's kind of a different story.. in fact, if a business were to do that it'd be completely illegal. And in my job I certainly can't disclose any employees personal health info to the employer. BUT... the sad truth is that a struggling small business is more likely to hire a young guy than they are an older woman because 1. women are more expensive to insure than men and 2. younger individuals cost less. And this is regardless of who is more qualified.

I was speaking more along the lines of unhealthy habits.. smoking, drinking, etc.
12:29 PM on 01/04/13 
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Yeah, seriously. Also, at my work you can get yelled at/penalized for not giving like a few days notice. Like wtf? Sometimes you just get sick all of a sudden. I've been on my way out the door to work then all of a sudden had to throw up in the toilet right before out of nowhere haha
that is the weirdest policy! do they not know about emergencies? but yeah i got really dizzy/nauseated at work last month out of nowhere and ended up staying at work because i couldn't afford to go home
12:29 PM on 01/04/13 
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That's kind of a different story.. in fact, if a business were to do that it'd be completely illegal. And in my job I certainly can't disclose any employees personal health info to the employer. BUT... the sad truth is that a struggling small business is more likely to hire a young guy than they are an older woman because 1. women are more expensive to insure than men and 2. younger individuals cost less. And this is regardless of who is more qualified.

I was speaking more along the lines of unhealthy habits.. smoking, drinking, etc.


Ah, fair enough. I honestly can't say I disagree when it's something you're purposely doing to yourself
12:42 PM on 01/04/13 
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the amount of extra time not-working that the smokers get here is ridic
01:05 PM on 01/04/13 
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Just playing devils advocate (especially because this is the business I'm in), but an employees habit does sometimes affect the business. Employees who are obese, smokers, drug addicts, or subject themselves to unhealthy habits end up costing the business a ton in health insurance costs. Especially with small businesses... no word of lie I've seen 1 single employee cost a small business an extra $14,000 in health insurance premium throughout the year.

I do agree with you guys to a certain extent though... the answer isn't regulating employees outside of when they're working. But those decisions can cost their business.

I understand what you're saying from a business owner's perspective, having to provide health insurance for its employees... but you can only do so much to anticipate/avoid these costs.

You can try to weed out potentially costly employees based on health problems, drug use, obesity, etc... but what about those things that are undetectable

Why should someone not be hired because they use illegal drugs in their off time? Because you can detect it with a drug test? What about someone who chooses to drink in their off time? You aren't going to be able to figure it out with a drug test...

... and the person who uses illegal drugs could very well be the more dependable/better worker than the alcoholic.
01:05 PM on 01/04/13 
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the amount of extra time not-working that the smokers get here is ridic

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01:58 PM on 01/04/13 
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Vaccines put metal in your body. My 2 cents.
02:01 PM on 01/04/13 
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Vaccines put metal in your body. My 2 cents.

Yeah, to be honest, I had no idea mercury and aluminum were in vaccines. What the fuck? I don't get how the medical community can constantly tell us how awful those are for us and then be perplexed as to why some may not want to get a vaccine haha

But, I personally don't care. Tons of people have been getting them for years with no issues, and I haven't ever experienced any sick feelings/symptoms the next day. Sometimes I'll feel like someone gave me a dead arm, but that's pretty much it.
02:35 PM on 01/04/13 
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http://vaxtruth.org/2012/08/indiana-...-ill-call-cps/

This is one of the most fucked up things I've ever read

tl;dr

Doctor kicks mother out of his clinic and threatens to call CPS for her not allowing him to inject 14 vaccinations into her 2 year old. Tries to take the baby from her hands three different times against her will.
02:35 PM on 01/04/13 
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For the most part, it's not sarcasm. Employers should have the right to only employ healthy, virus-free, drug-free, honest employees. Testing would only weed out the undesirables.

it's debatable whether or not some vaccines are worth taking, what i do on my own time should be no business of my employer as long as it doesn't affect my work, and lie detectors are notoriously unreliable.

if an employer is going to pay me 24/7 then i'll have less of a problem with them telling me what i have to put in my body and what i can't put into it.
02:56 PM on 01/04/13 
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Yeah, to be honest, I had no idea mercury and aluminum were in vaccines. What the fuck? I don't get how the medical community can constantly tell us how awful those are for us and then be perplexed as to why some may not want to get a vaccine haha

But, I personally don't care. Tons of people have been getting them for years with no issues, and I haven't ever experienced any sick feelings/symptoms the next day. Sometimes I'll feel like someone gave me a dead arm, but that's pretty much it.

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/08/indiana-...-ill-call-cps/

This is one of the most fucked up things I've ever read

tl;dr

Doctor kicks mother out of his clinic and threatens to call CPS for her not allowing him to inject 14 vaccinations into her 2 year old. Tries to take the baby from her hands three different times against her will.

Yea, my mom is very into alternative medicine and homeopathy and although its not like theres terrible outer symptoms of vaccines right away, the metal fucks with your body. That story is disgusting and that doctor should be fired.



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