Well i've got to say I agree, well put.

Perfect.

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The thought that we actually toured and shared the same stage as this musician in 2011 now makes me feel a bit nauseous. If I knew he held views as embarrassingly archaic and morally disgraceful as this, we wouldn’t have ever gone near the band.

Yet, Enter Shikari still went ahead on a tour with someone as embarrassingly archaic and morally disgraceful as Ronnie Radke.

tl;dr

enter shikari sucks but this is a good post

Very well said. I agree with dude 100%.

Holy crap.

I've never been a fan of these guys but that is a damn well-spoken and intelligent statement. Huge props.

Good Shiz.

Originally Posted by torres

Yet, Enter Shikari still went ahead on a tour with someone as embarrassingly archaic and morally disgraceful as Ronnie Radke.

Valid point!

This sort of thing really frustrates me. While I agree that people should be able to love who they want to love, and believe what they want to believe, the very nature of a rebuttal like this strips someone else of that ability. There are so many times that people preach love for everyone in such a hateful way. For Today are entitled to their beliefs just as much as anyone else is to theirs. I don't consider myself a believer, but I also found it funny that Enter Shikari use and argument like "We simply cannot and must not rely on the literal translation of scripture written thousands of years ago anymore" to debunk the Bible, and then later say something like this..."Plato, 400 years before the alleged birth of Christ, said “Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul.” The argument against homophobia is legitimate, but I just find it to be very two-faced and hypocritical at times. If you're going to preach love, you better live it, too.

I don't like what Mike said at all and with that said I'm over the reaction to his ignorant view points already. The dude is suffering from some terrible dogmatic religous viewpoint, but outside of that the consensus is that he is a decent person. I have friends like this and I hate what they say and stand for, but I feel like hating them as people is unfair when we've proven we can get along outside of it. Let's go back to hating on Ronnie Radke and Jonny Craig, they deserve the hate because they are terrible human beings. Mike is just delusional.

Mike Reynolds.... Sorry, you're not a winner.

Originally Posted by awkervil

This sort of thing really frustrates me. While I agree that people should be able to love who they want to love, and believe what they want to believe, the very nature of a rebuttal like this strips someone else of that ability. There are so many times that people preach love for everyone in such a hateful way. For Today are entitled to their beliefs just as much as anyone else is to theirs. I don't consider myself a believer, but I also found it funny that Enter Shikari use and argument like "We simply cannot and must not rely on the literal translation of scripture written thousands of years ago anymore" to debunk the Bible, and then later say something like this..."Plato, 400 years before the alleged birth of Christ, said “Music is a more potent instrument than any other for education, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the soul.” The argument against homophobia is legitimate, but I just find it to be very two-faced and hypocritical at times. If you're going to preach love, you better live it, too.

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Shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998, Shepard met Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson for the first time at the Fireside Lounge in Laramie, Wyoming.[7] It was decided that McKinney and Henderson would give Shepard a ride home.[8] McKinney and Henderson subsequently drove the car to a remote, rural area and proceeded to rob, pistol-whip, and torture Shepard, tying him to a fence and leaving him to die. According to their court testimony, McKinney and Henderson also discovered his address and intended to steal from his home. Still tied to the fence, Shepard, who was still alive but in a coma, was discovered 18 hours later by Aaron Kreifels, a cyclist who initially mistook Shepard for a scarecrow.[9]

Shepard had suffered fractures to the back of his head and in front of his right ear. He experienced severe brainstem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature, and other vital functions. There also were about a dozen small lacerations around his head, face, and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. While he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.[10]

Shepard was pronounced dead at 12:53 a.m. on October 12, 1998, at Poudre Valley Hospital, in Fort Collins, Colorado.[11][12][13][14] He was 21 years old.

That's what their "beliefs" can lead to.

They have the right to believe it. But others have the right to point out their ignorance and hate.

Rou is the man.