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07:33 AM on 10/10/13
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Nice review, although I really like FU.

I think she knows exactly what she's doing since she's pretty much admitted in interviews that she wants attention and to cause a reaction, but I don't know if she's really considering the long-term? Her album is projected to sell more than her last and she has everyone talking about her, but what I hear is largely negative, and I was really hoping she'd at least have an awesome pop album to back it all up with. It's not totally awful and I appreciate that she went for something different, but it could've been a lot better and more consistent.


Also, her songs are forever underrated imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwicyvUGNE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wxOVn99FTE
Thanks. I think her interviews and the way she's been so honest about allof it is really what sells a lot of this. It's super disappointing to have her release an album that's not packed full of successful ventures.I hope her next one does it better.
I think "Adore You," "Wrecking Ball," "FU," and "Maybe You're Right" are great. The rest of the album is pretty "meh."

Her voice on "FU" is phenomenal. Girl can really sing. "Adore You" comes across as incredibly depressing and poignant due to the situation with Liam and assuming she wrote it when they were still in love. Makes it even more emotive.
Her voice on FU is one of the only things i like about it haha. It's impressive but I wish it was in service to a different delivery/not on a song with French Montana.
did AP really need a review of this... *can't wait fro the reviews for ARTPOP and prisms*
Chances are I'm reviewing at least one of those so be on the look out bud!!!
FU is dope, the last song was dope, #Getitright was dope, first song and Wrecking Ball are dope, rest is average to baddd. When she raps it just sounds funny.

But yeah, you right, she's def doin some punk shit with this album. 23 Shoulda been on it :/
Really surprised at how many of you like FU, I thought it was dumb as hell
Interesting fact: I hate Dr. Luke more than anyone else in the music industry.
Haha I think I'm with you even if it isn't for the same reasons
Fantastic review, bud.

Agree completely about the "punk" aspect. Can't think of a person, outside of kanye, since Kurt Cobain that has completely done what they wanted with their mainstream success.
TY dude <3
you guys need to have an elitist thing like p4k have. atleast review k-pop instead... g-dragons ew album is the best pop/rap album of 2013.
We review lots of the same stuff as pitchfork. Pitchfork has reviews of mainstream pop albums all the time.
08:05 AM on 10/10/13
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It really benefitted from barely having French Montana at all, and while dumb that beat was dope. That song with Big Sean was also dumb, but the beat was not the dopest. Contexts man.
Haha true enough. I was surprised at some of the failures of the production on here. I expected to enjoy every single beat based solely on the names but it didn't end up happening.
I love this review man. I am not a fan at all and this made me feel like I needed to check this out...

I'm glad you liked it so much! I have a lot I want to say about Miley as a cultural transgressor that I don't have the time to get into right now because I have an exam in a couple of hours, but I'm happy that someone took something from the review like this. Thanks so much for reading and I hope to get into a long winded explanation of why I think she's doing a good job re: racial norms. I just couldn't fit it in the review without going on for wayyy too long and losing sight of the music haha
08:09 AM on 10/10/13
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I wouldn't call it punk, but I would call it terrific publicity.
Semantics
08:11 AM on 10/10/13
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Sadly, my only exposure to K-pop is the non-western music class I took in college.



I've just heard so many stories of him stealing songs from other writers or artists, suing people who claim he plagiarized, and just generally being an all-around shitty guy. I think his writing is generally derivative and generic anyway, but the fact that he's just an awful person makes me want to boycott pretty much everything he touches. I'm not a huge fan of Max Martin either, but his work bothers me a lot less than Luke's.
Yeah I've heard rumblings about plagiarism from Dr Luke and my first thought is always "Yeah, he plagiarized himself! Bad-uh-tiss!"
08:39 AM on 10/10/13
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Haha, he does do that too. But like, the current Katy Perry single is a cobble job of three or four other songs, at least two of which came out this year and are currently on pop radio. He's not subtle at all, and he doesn't need to be, since most people will just blame the unoriginality on the artist. I just honestly can't believe people continuously work with him.

Why would people not work with him? He's proven again and again and again and again and AGAIN that his songs will be hits. Which in his line of work and for the artists that work with him is all that matters.

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Somehow, I don't anticipate that as many of these artists have strong moral compasses to deter them from working with him haha. especially when i'm sure some of those artists he rips off will eventually get to work with him themselves.
08:45 AM on 10/10/13
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Our best bet is hoping he pulls a Scott storch and blows his fortune on cocaine and disappears forever
I just looked up his production discog and did not realize he produced "Shutterbugg" this is a revelation
08:46 AM on 10/10/13
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this is looking like the first review i've written where i will be accused of not being "punk" enough or something even though i explicitly mention my understanding of punk/mileys place in it in like the first sentence lol.
08:47 AM on 10/10/13
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Yeah i knew that haha but that's gotta be the last thing he did and it had been years since he did something worthwhile
10 songs in seven years lol and i've only heard two of them. talk about a fall from grace
08:57 AM on 10/10/13
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Because when he steals someone's song and and uses the plagiarized sections in a new song with the artist he's working with, it's the artist's name that gets dragged through the dirt. Happened with Pink, happened with Avril Lavigne, happened with Daughtry, happened with half the people he's worked with, and most of them don't go back to write with him again after that. Most of the artists who he works with have had substantial hits without him: they don't need him to write a number 1 single for them, especially if there's a risk that he stole it from someone else.



Pretty sure most of the people who have accused him of stealing their songs have not worked with him after that, especially because he sues people for "defamation" if they say he plagiarized.
Really? Yikes
11:44 AM on 10/10/13
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Great review Ryan. Agreed completely.

I can't wait to laugh at the ap.net's facebook comments. Anyway I was pleasantly surprised by Wrecking Ball (though I can't unhear "Fireworks" and "Trouble" on certain parts of the song) and ignored her whole controversy so I'm quite curious to hear the full thing. Great review.
Best review I've read on this site in quite a while. Props.

Thanks guys!

a lot of these people you are referring to are probably just kids who feel isolated and alone and do not want anything to do with what's popular and mainstream. the ones who only listen to pop punk and nothing else, they probably wouldn't even know a miley cyrus's voice sound like. but they come to this site because, because they can relate alot to it. they understand most of the news posts and are aware of what's going on. so when they see a review of a miley cyrus or jt album, they get alarmed a little because they feel disconnected again, because something new and different is being thrown into the mix.

this is NOT my point of view. im not the one complaining and im always willing to try new music. but i can imagine the younger ap'ers might be feeling this way. just my hypothesis

QUICK EDIT. ON MY IPHONE. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY LACK OF PROOFREADING

This is an interesting way to approach it. I've never really considered this before. It would explain a lot of the lashing out that seems to come from people though.
12:14 PM on 10/10/13
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Nice review, I agree with a lot of it except the part about her being "punk" or whatever. Just because she's providing her audience with provocative and challenging imagery doesn't mean she is "punk".
That's exactly what it means.
12:24 PM on 10/10/13
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This album has been the biggest disappointment to me of the year. After having two #1 singles I was hoping for so much more in the way of great writing with interesting production. The white girl rapping thing just has to go. So few can pull it off. Hopefully she grows out of this phase and puts out an album with more "Wrecking Ball" and "Adore You" type tracks. Shame to waste such a powerful voice on trying to be ratchet.
She's a bad rapper, yes, but it's not a waste and it's not universal.
miley is nothing but a culture vulture, nothing "punk" about that.

12:33 PM on 10/10/13
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Explain to me why it's not a waste to do things you're awful at instead of things you're great at.
Well I take umbrage with your use f the word ratchet in this context and I also disagree that she fails at it. "We can't stop" is a huge success at exactly what you're talking about.
01:02 PM on 10/10/13
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There's way more to punk than being provocative and way more ways to being provocative that to be "punk".
Being punk is a pretty shallow descriptor and if you have a different definition I think you should offer it and explain why Miley does not meet it.

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