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08:47 PM on 08/23/11 
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I would say that is the case. They speak to the struggles most individuals have when confronted with their own radical freedom.
And for the second part of your post:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226735117/absolutepunk-20/
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I would say that is the case. They speak to the struggles most individuals have when confronted with their own radical freedom.
And for the second part of your post:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226735117/absolutepunk-20/

Sucks that it's so expensive. Ah well. I'm sure it's on library.nu or aaaarg.org.

Levinas appeals to me a lot more than Sartre does, not just because of his ethics (of which I had gotten a taste in late Derrida, though in a diluted form) but because of the way he describes subjectivity and radical freedom. Sartre seems much more prone to fall back on an implicit Cartesian subject that is fixed and stable and thus radically free, whereas for Levinas I feel the question of the I is a bit more nuanced. Also, I'm down with anything that sets itself up with a critique of representation.
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Sucks that it's so expensive. Ah well. I'm sure it's on library.nu or aaaarg.org.

Levinas appeals to me a lot more than Sartre does, not just because of his ethics (of which I had gotten a taste in late Derrida, though in a diluted form) but because of the way he describes subjectivity and radical freedom. Sartre seems much more prone to fall back on an implicit Cartesian subject that is fixed and stable and thus radically free, whereas for Levinas I feel the question of the I is a bit more nuanced. Also, I'm down with anything that sets itself up with a critique of representation.

http://www.mediafire.com/?5nnzyqzm22k
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wonderful! and now if the power goes out I have something to read for five hours till my computer dies.
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So, I've been reading Istvan Mészáros' book, "Social Structures and Forms Of Consciousness", and it is really good. There is a section in it, in which he traces the subject/object split, within the conceptual framework of bourgeois philosophy, to precise historical developments -namely, the separation of the means of labor (capital) and living labor. Philosophers, as a result of their social situation making them unable to provide a materialist analysis - as it would necessarily imply a challenge to capital's vantage point - conjure metaphysical arguments in which there is a struggle to know the objects in this world as they are or even if they are real; therefore presenting, in a distorted form, man's alienation from the objects he has created in this world and necessarily rendering the dualism irremovable on an a priori basis.

This is good stuff.
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I miss Personist. No one to talk philosophy with.
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I am in this class this semester (it's actually only one credit, started in late April) called Moral Problems: Pornography and Censorship. Mill, Strossen, MacKinnon, Dworkin, Gruen, Longino, Wicclair, Kaminer, Hill. After all of the readings I feel like I can't possibly read more about the topic (obviously not).

But the term paper is due in 12 hours. 1300-1500 words. I don't even have the intro down. I had no idea what I wanted to write about when it came time to tell the TA. I had no idea that you could choose from a wide range of topics, not just within the spectrum of the censorship of porn. So now I'm stuck arguing that the censorship of pornography could lead to the stifling of non-heterosexual, non-monogamous sexual expression. And one of my classmates is writing about South Park. YEAH.
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I miss Personist. No one to talk philosophy with.

I need to stop being lazy and read more philosophy. I'd love to be able to discuss all these books with you.
02:53 PM on 06/11/12 
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I read Sartre's No Exit a few days ago. To be honest, I haven't studied much Sartre. I know that Sartre emphasised that "existence precedes essence" and this is idea is obviously evident in the play. The character's choices and actions form their essence. Because individuals have the freedom to choose, the responsibility for actions falls into the hands of the individual, and the characters in No Exit have to pay for their actions. The characters were "condemned to be free". As I pointed out, my knowledge of Sartre is limited, and surely one would get much more out his play if one is familiar with his ideas. Nonetheless, I thought the play was interesting.
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I read Sartre's No Exit a few days ago. To be honest, I haven't studied much Sartre. I know that Sartre emphasised that "existence precedes essence" and this is idea is obviously evident in the play. The character's choices and actions form their essence. Because individuals have the freedom to choose, the responsibility for actions falls into the hands of the individual, and the characters in No Exit have to pay for their actions. The characters were "condemned to be free". As I pointed out, my knowledge of Sartre is limited, and surely one would get much more out his play if one is familiar with his ideas. Nonetheless, I thought the play was interesting.

It's incredibly interesting. Reading that play in college changed my outlook on so much.
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It's incredibly interesting. Reading that play in college changed my outlook on so much.

Have any similar recommendations? Short(ish) existentialist works maybe?
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The Fall by Camus
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I'll read that, thanks. I love The Stranger.
01:31 AM on 06/13/12 
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John Gardner's Grendel is probably the best anti-existentialist book I've read and it's a fairly short (albeit very disturbing and at times completely batshit insane) read, if people are interested in reading something with a stance opposing Existentialism. It's not strictly a philosophy book but there are far more philosophical musings and conversations than not.

Knowing the story of Beowulf can help with understanding certain plot points but the poem of Beowulf barely intersects with the story of Grendel.

I didn't find it to actually be anti-existentialist but apparently it was intended to be a criticism of Sarte's philosophy, and at the very least comes at it from a very dark perspective. The idea of the brute existent seems to be one that Gardner created to explore the cruelest aspects of existential philosophy and human nature but that doesn't really argue that Existentialism is theoretically wrong, it's more of a moral argument. There's so many ways to interpret the book, it makes me sad that Gardner died shortly after writing it.

I think I'm going to reread Grendel... I last read it over 5 years ago and still remember it vividly.



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