[apsterling]

Originally Posted by sinktylersink

Yeah, seems like it could be a complicated process. There are so many ideas and questions flying around in my head about this, it's nearly impossible to get them all out so I can at least search the internet for them. I've been jotting down questions as they pop up in my mind all day.

I thought I saw someone mention (on this forum, can't find it by searching now though) that Jason Call recorded the drums for Push Push Pull by programming/sampling the actual drums and then recording the cymbals with overheads, using a pillow as a snare. I can't remember what user it was even, but I would love more details on this process if they're available (how the drums were programmed and sampled, details like that).

Sorry for flooding this thread with stuff about programming drums, I just recently become re-interested in the writing and recording process after about a year hiatus from music.

I've been using the EXS24 Sampler Software Instrument in Logic to do it- I set enough different velocities and sampled my kit at about 8 velocities and programmed EXS to use my kit's sounds in AIFF, then it's just programming a midi track or separate tracks for drums.

It can be done with drum replacements like Drumagog and the one built into the new version of Logic and it's the same concept but it recognizes where notes are and their velocities by looking at the peaks and then adds the layers or converts it to midi data, or replaces it outright.

The reason for recording overheads is that the cymbal action in Midi just doesn't respond the same as a real kit.

[FTeric]

Originally Posted by Tristan Needler

http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php

All of those are free and fantastic. I use the compressor on almost every track, and I used the reverb for 99% of my reverb needs. The delay is pretty good too, and the limiter is good for quickly and easily bringing up the volume of your final mix after everything else is done.

wow, thank you.

and that brings me to a question for all of you: do you guys regularly use delay on your vocal tracks? cause it seems when i use it, it just makes it sound a little too robotic. that's probably not even the word for it, but it's all i could think of to describe it.

[Tristan Needler]

Originally Posted by FTeric

wow, thank you.

and that brings me to a question for all of you: do you guys regularly use delay on your vocal tracks? cause it seems when i use it, it just makes it sound a little too robotic. that's probably not even the word for it, but it's all i could think of to describe it.

I don't, I think it sounds too sloppy. If I want that kind of a sound I'd sooner track the vocals twice.

[FTeric]

well the problem i've been having is that it just tends to echo back whatever i sing over and over no matter how i set it. maybe the delay plug-in that comes with Cubase just isn't what i'm looking for.

and damn, i wish i had monitors so bad right now. i'm working on a song for the AP compilation and i really want it to sound as good as i can get it with the little skill that i have recording. it's really hard to tell how the mix is with laptop speakers.

[sinktylersink]

Originally Posted by apsterling

I've been using the EXS24 Sampler Software Instrument in Logic to do it- I set enough different velocities and sampled my kit at about 8 velocities and programmed EXS to use my kit's sounds in AIFF, then it's just programming a midi track or separate tracks for drums.

It can be done with drum replacements like Drumagog and the one built into the new version of Logic and it's the same concept but it recognizes where notes are and their velocities by looking at the peaks and then adds the layers or converts it to midi data, or replaces it outright.

The reason for recording overheads is that the cymbal action in Midi just doesn't respond the same as a real kit.

Do you know if it would it be possible to make my own samples and use them in Reason? Would it be possible to make .aif files of just one hit and then have the ability to adjust velocity,etc on the ReDrum computer on Reason? I'm not really looking for an easier way than making multiple hits at multiple velocities, mostly just wondering if it would be possible to create my own samples for use with Reason.

[apsterling]

Originally Posted by sinktylersink

Do you know if it would it be possible to make my own samples and use them in Reason? Would it be possible to make .aif files of just one hit and then have the ability to adjust velocity,etc on the ReDrum computer on Reason? I'm not really looking for an easier way than making multiple hits at multiple velocities, mostly just wondering if it would be possible to create my own samples for use with Reason.

Regardless of how good your one hit is, one hit just isn't enough, but I do think that would certainly be possible under the ReDrum computer.

So I guess the answer is yes you can do it, but don't expect it to be stellar.

[Tristan Needler]

Originally Posted by FTeric

well the problem i've been having is that it just tends to echo back whatever i sing over and over no matter how i set it. maybe the delay plug-in that comes with Cubase just isn't what i'm looking for.

and damn, i wish i had monitors so bad right now. i'm working on a song for the AP compilation and i really want it to sound as good as i can get it with the little skill that i have recording. it's really hard to tell how the mix is with laptop speakers.

It's hard to know exactly what you're talking about sound-wise, but I you want to post a clip or two here or something, it might be easier to know what you mean, and then help.

[sinktylersink]

Originally Posted by apsterling

Regardless of how good your one hit is, one hit just isn't enough, but I do think that would certainly be possible under the ReDrum computer.

So I guess the answer is yes you can do it, but don't expect it to be stellar.

Yeah I see what you're saying. Anyway, I'm going to have some time in the next month or so to experiment with making some drum samples. Any recommendations on sites/resources to look for more information on how to do it?

[apsterling]

Originally Posted by sinktylersink

Yeah I see what you're saying. Anyway, I'm going to have some time in the next month or so to experiment with making some drum samples. Any recommendations on sites/resources to look for more information on how to do it?

I sorta just "did" it, y'know? Mic the drums like all the tutorials and guides explain, and just record one hit at a time, and go from there. It's all the same concepts but without I guess the conflict of the other drums' sounds interfering which cleans it up a bit.

[FTeric]

alright, another question i have: on my audio interface there's a spot for a headphone jack in the front, so it allows you to hear whatever you're recording in the headphones of course. the thing is, i want to be able to get what's playing on my laptop into the mix too. like for instance, i recorded a guitar track so when i go to record vocals i want to be able to hear the guitar track in the phones as well as my vocal track i'm tracking at the time. anyone?

[FTeric]

well this place died awfully quick..

[Tristan Needler]

That seems weird that it doesn't just do that automatically. What's your interface?

[FTeric]

Originally Posted by Tristan Needler

That seems weird that it doesn't just do that automatically. What's your interface?

i was just going to post in here saying "where is Tristan Needler when i need him?" haha, you should have quoted me. but it's a Lexicon Alpha, if that helps at all.

the only thing i'm able to hear is what i'm tracking at the time in my mic. i'd rather hear what i'm tracking over so i can hear the click etc... but it would help so much being able to hear everything in the mix.

[FTeric]

so can anyone help me out with this?

[Tristan Needler]

Originally Posted by FTeric

so can anyone help me out with this?

Sorry, I'm really busy with work, papers, and exams right now, but I'll see if I can figure anything out this weekend. Off the top of my head, I have no idea though. Seems odd to me.